of conspiracies about joe biden is where did this come from? and does it have merit? the person who would know a lot about that is marie yovanovitch. she's an expert of the ins and outs of ukrainian politics. and the cloak and dagger story about how she came to learn about the rumors spread around her, will be interesting. it will explain an irregular and unusual pattern of activity around trying to oust a sitting u.s. ambassador. that will be from a television perspective. it will be a fascinating retelling. >> you will hear from impeachment lawyers later in the broadcast, that suggests that the issue of rudy giuliani in general, is an untapped resource for democrats. they didn't lean into how sketchy everything he is doing is. and maybe that will come out tomorrow. jennifer, abby, thank you for being here. we're going to talk much more about the first day of testimony. the cases made by the two