plal favor. and if you're inclined to be supportive of the -- raised by jim jordan and some of the other republican lawmakers, then you come away focused on how much aid did obama provide, and what about hunter biden and his mastery of speaking ukraine or some other dialect. there was a lot of confusion thrown up that if people are inclined to accept that, i guess there's something there for them. last thought, alisyn and john. i have been saying consistently on your program i do not believe the underlying facts of what's at issue here are in dispute. and that was reinforced to me yesterday. >> i think that is glaring. i think the voracity and the trustworthiness was not in dispute. what you're suggesting, the republicans didn't question whether george kent and william taylor were telling the truth. they just made the case. not in questioning that they