talked to and so many people have testified what gordon sondland told them already. i'm not saying they don't want them, but they can still do articles of impeachment. >> they can do i. the question is what is the strength of the case, and i do think gordon sondland is key to that. he's one of the few people outside of rudy giuliani and john bolton where it seems unlikely to hear from who actually talked to the president on multiple occasions. i mean i always come back to this because it's really critical. gordon sondland picked up a phone in a restaurant in ukraine and called the white house switchboard and was patched through the swishboard of the president of the united states. that's not the kind of thing that's common and other ambassadors can do and it raises questions, what kind of access did gordon sondland have to the president trump and what more do we not know. it seems gordon sondland testified originally they only had two conversations.