still don't see joe biden jumping in and making a bigger mess of the democratic coalition than there would be if bernie sanders starts to win. >> you know, carol, i think really he has another big thing he wants to do, which he spoke about. which he calls the moon shot for cancer. clearly, he was so affected by what happened to beau and living through it and educating himself on cancer and how close in certain cancers they are to getting a cure or turning it into a chronic disease. and i think that in talking to him, you can feel that this will be the next part of his life's work and that he will use the platform he has. he won't be the vice president of the united states, but joe biden can still command an audience. he called himself as the convener, getting people together, to sit around a table so they can actually make a difference in what happens with