one of the things that the biden administration has talked about in terms of fending this off is putting more resources in terms of analyzing the cryptocurrency chain and so that they can better track these criminals and have a sense of what they're up to. two other tactics that they're highlighting is, they are -- they say, going after, disrupting the ransomware networks and, you know, the government has significant capabilities to do that. the problem is oftentimes it's a situation of whack-a-mole. they take down a network or take out a bunch of hackers here and then pop up somewhere else. and the last thing that they're doing is they're trying to get other countries, our allies, to put pressure on countries like russia which, frankly, harbors most of these ransomware groups and to hold countries like russia to account. >> yeah. you know it's interesting. right before this show, i got what is almost certainly a spearphishing email like a fake business email with a lnk.