just earlier this week. >> the area of ubiquitous technical surveillance makes it a lot harder to conduct traditional espionage as well. and so what we need to do is transform everything from the way we recruit case officers to the way we train them, to the way we operate in very complicated, you know, foreign landscapes, to the way we communicate as well. and we are not in a defensive crouch today. >> so bottom line here, jim, you know, things are getting a lot tougher for the cia to sort of field spies out into the world and what my sources -- gone are the days in which a case officer can just go to the border of a new country, pick up a new passport, assume a new identity and go about his life. that's part of this change. >> harder to hide with things like facial recognition technology, right? >> precisely. >> mono matter how many fake mustaches you put on. katie, thank you very much. >> my pleasure.