today everything you put down is there and it's there forever. it's indelible. so it's a real problem for this country, and you look and the kind of secrets that are being given out, a lot of people are saying china learned more from this young man that -- you know, without a high school education that had access to everything you could possibly have access to. what kind of security is this? this is tremendous security breach. >> if you're not american, you look from the outside saying america is accusing the chinese of hacking computers for a long time now and snowden revealed and americans and the last three to four years. is that not in the public interest. >> china is having a field day because it's true over the last year we talk about them hacking and over the last couple days, they are talking about us