really does, also, show the democraticization of journalist. michael hayden, former cia director, nsa chief, on the sub going from new york to washington, and giving background interviews, apparently loudly. and somebody overheard him, former director of moveon.org starts tweeting the live conversation, to the point where he gets a lot of followers on this fact, and hayden confronts him about it, and says, do you want a real interview? he says, well, i'm not a reporter. hayden wisely says, everybody's a reporter. this story really does pull the curtain back, and you would think the former nsa chief would know better. >> i've got four words for michael hayden, and breaking it into two blocks. one is, quiet car. they have that on amtrak. if you even -- forget about the phone, you can't even talk to somebody, you can't whisper somebody, and they take you to the bathroom and waterboard you. that's one thing. the second, the two words are mitt romney. you can be recorded at any time.