years. the last 15 years we've seen rising authoritarianism, more countries every year declining in respect for political rights and civil liberties and improvement. the united states is part of that global story. >> and that's partly a president trump story but it continues with trump out of office. >> president trump was certainly an accelerant to that, but i believe it's something that crosses all administrations. we've seen -- we've actually tracked democratic decline for about ten years. and we rate countries on a global scale of zero to 100 and the united states has fallen from roughly 94 to 83 in the last ten years. >> what do you want to see the cnns of the world do to change that? >> the most important thing i think of, i also think of marty baron, former editor of "the washington post," what can the media do? do their job. as the nobel prize committee recognized this week, democracy is the cornerstone -- i'm sorry, independent journalism is the cornerstone of democracy and