about, the accuser is not part of, that's -- that is a flawed justice system. >> look, i'm not going to go into the details of what happened in that one, because i wasn't the attorney. but i've handled -- we've handled probably as many of these campus cases as anybody in the country, and we are not finding that a lot of universities, not all of them, but a lot of the universities, the procedures are unfair. at this point in time to males. so i don't agree with you, that it was a flaw. this was one of the best procedures that we had ever seen. >> do you think it's fair to the accuser not to have her be a part of it, an appeal. >> neither of them, neither of them are a part of it. they don't talk to pro-tefessor when coming to a decision. neither of them. he might have known it was happening, and i assume she knew, and she could have found out but he doesn't persuade them to do anything. they did this on the record. they did this by reading