it's a long shot but there's a level of orchestration here that i actually think the freedom caucus deserves credit for that makes me think they have another play at hand. >> they have more than that of mccarthy. someone voting for mccarthy said as long as it takes, mccarthy. which isn't really a plan, right? it doesn't very strong. it sounds fairly thirsty and desperate at this point so we'll see what happens on the third ballot. >> this small band so far of 19 people seems to be much more organized than mccarthy. >> if that strategy was the plan back in 2015, had hillary clinton won, 5 is the end goal, not to get jordan across the line but have somebody else be speaker that's more to the liking of the right. >> there is a sense jordan couldn't get to 218.