have ideas as well? >> i would say gree wiagree wit. something that's critically important, it sounds soft and ineffective, but it's the word empathy. on the flip side of the stereotyping that's associated with de blasio and his brand, he does have a unique position to understand some of the issues that he faces, parley -- >> the police would criticize and say he's been too empathetic. >> i think he needs to bring that empathy to the entire eco system of new york city. that's the critical issue and not something he's perceived as doing even know he may try -- he may be trying to execute that. empathy is critical. and i think he's got an opportunity to really build a third way. a different kind of way. he is uniquely positioned at this moment to time given his background, given the challenges that face the largest city, you know, and really what he does here could have an impact at a national level. >> lessons for the nation. >> they're lessons for the nation. if it's possible to find a