impact, they argue a significant impact, on eight of the cases in the affirmative, meaning it led to a disruption. and in four of the cases -- i found this interesting, we forgot about this part of the debate -- is that it stopped hundreds of thousands of fbi man hours chasing down radicals. that's hugely important. we don't have resources to waste when we know we have these targets. now here's the problem with the president's proposal. he said he's for the program. it works. he has very serious privacy concerns by a lot of mandating that the private sector keep it, as do it. but we'll find the difference between now and 70 days. that's interjected a level of uncertainty and having a whole bunch of us scratch our head. >> not private and not government. >> i don't know where that goes. i don't know where that goes. i think we have to come to the conclusion as americans, can you put the proper oversight on these programs. i think we have. i think we did. both under bush and under mr.