as i have argued, i think it makes much more sense to say you've got to be able to also say there is a better way. to handle these problems. >> in our last minute or so, if you had to guess what kind of election this is going to be -- like can you have a wave election when a whole bunch of republicans or democrats -- in this case it will probably be democrats thrown out of office -- you can have an election that's all about local issues. like indiana decides on something entirely different. or you can have an anti-incumbent wave. what's it going to be? >> obviously there's going to be more on the anti-incumbent. i think you're going to start to a lot of retirls, especially on the federal level come in. see people like done with washington viral. but you have to have credible candidates. >> the way i frame is, 1996 plus nugent. like '96, not a lot of big ideas being discussed but we'll have a lot of discussion about side show issues as well. >> a red state wave. and it could be a large wave where i'd want to see the evidence and that is michigan. if michigan flips the republicans in the senate, that means it is bigger than just the