small place. and we were all in one room. and we could see each other's face. it was something about that magic of looking in a person's eyes when he's doing a pick up. >> we had the funk brothers were some of the best musicians ever. >> it was a mecca. everybody in detroit could sing. i never seen anything like it. >> the competition level was super high. he very easily could have not hit. he was a decent drummer, musician. >> he started to be my drummer with the miracles and me going on the road playing drums. he started writing some kind of fella and he was saying it frank sinatra, one of those kind of ways. that was when he became marvin