they have called this a crisis of trust. as of yet, president biden has not yet spoken with the french president. we know president biden requested a phone call with the french president, but as of last hour, the white house press secretary saying that call is still being scheduled, the details still very much being finalized. >> let's discuss with my team. david sanger of the "new york times," let's start with you. how much of this meeting between boris johnson and joe biden is focused on the u.s. and the u.k. repairing relations with france, or do you think they don't care that much? >> it's not clear how much they care. they blame the australians, who had a deal with france. the american and british view was it's for the australians to go unwrap themselves from that. of course, the world doesn't work like that. what they needed to do was come up with a plan to basically come up with an alternative that would bring the french into it