right to the heart of what's going on in washington, and i'm not going to paraphrase because i don't want to be accused of taking political positions here. this is fitch. the repeated brinkmanship over raising the debt ceiling dents confidence in the effectiveness of the u.s. government and political institutions. >> it's a serious, serious warning right there, richard. stand by. i'm going to get back to you. one way or another, we're probably in the end game right now over this standoff involving the government shutdown, the debt ceiling. will it end with a deal or will it end with a default? as the clock keeps ticking and ticking, all eyes right now on the house of representatives. let's bring in two powerful members of that house. steve israel of new york, he chairs the democratic congressional campaign committee. republican darrell issa of california chairs the oversight and government reform committee. gentlemen, thanks very much for coming in. this warning from fitch, congressman israel, you just came from a meeting with the