he was on the call five 11,780 votes. clark was even more about. he was told by his superiors, you can't do this. it's not official. and might even be criminal. and then you have to fake electors who are saying we are federal officials because we are fake electors still. and schaffer, they're doubling down and what got them prosecuted in the first place. >> we don't know, also, about the idea of the political. will this be a springboard again for him? he's done pretty well after indictment. he said i just need one more indictment and i seal the deal. by the, way there was a debate last night. fyi on these issues. >> i think everybody who's gonna be with donald trump, is gonna be used on trump. this may hardened them a little. what i want to know, this is the unknown, i still have a bit of hope that if one of these cases goes to court, all the evidence is presented, and he's actually convicted. that will start to change the way people with the. it's one thing to say in theory he's been indicted, by the, way