yeah, no, i'll tell you what, this is probably very therapeutic for lieutenant madden. he is right. he hit the nail on the head. he has seen stuff that people will never see in their lifetime. there is a process that not only victims go through but law enforcements after they have been involved in a traumatic situation and part of it is debriefing and talking with peers and discussing these types of issues. i've been through that process in a couple of the shootings i have been involved with and for him to do that in front of the crowd and in front of the world, basically, was pretty damn good. he hit the nail on the head. >> bernie kerik i spent time talking about the bad things that police officers do. but in these situations police run towards the danger. >> as someone who commanded the nypd on 9/11 and watched