of republicanism. the other piece of it is look at a state like kentucky where health care is a big issue. the history of health care, a successful health care system with the exchange under the affordable care act. that's what democrats ran on so successfully in 2018 and won back a lot of these suburban districts. you know, the toxicity in american politics that we talk about day in and day out, a lot of people simply don't have time for it. what they do have time for if they're trying to figure out whether their prescription medication is going to be covered under their insurance, that they can understand. that's the pain that they're feeling. a politician who can speak to that pain is going to get results. >> dana, is virginia going to be a swing state next november in the presidential election? >> it sure doesn't look that way. that was the other thing that i was thinking about. really until the end of 2016, it looked like a swing state. and then the president kind of -- the now president's campaign sort of said, okay, that's not happening. it's hard to imagine that he's going to really play there at all.