prosecutors are thinking, either we have a case or we don't. if they have a case they're not going to shy away from it. it could be a career builder for them. just one quick thing on this whole business about athletes being role models. your parents should be your role models. this is all screwed up. you got to teach your kids, you know what, these are your values. and because you love someone on the ball field doesn't mean that everything about their life is what you should be. >> i'm not saying we should be their only role model. but i do think we shouldn't shy away from that and we should want to set great examples. >> you have kids that come up and ask for your autographs. >> tons of kids. autographs, write us. >> i have kids come up all the time. and i tell them, don't you ever be on my show. >> yeah. >> all good points. thank you guys. and we will be right back. we have a lot more ahead as we continue our discussion. plus we're going to talk to one of the best ever to win the heisman, herschel walker, and get his thoughts on james jameis winston. >> the thing is there's a cloud.