they were legal expenses because it was compensation for an nda. i'm not sure what the crime is. >> sandra: that is pretty remarkable. we saw the former president a moment ago. on his way into court, these were his words. >> these are all biden trials. this is known as election interference. everybody knows it is in coordination with washington. i just want people to understand that. this is known for purposes of hurting the opponents of the worst president in the history of our country. >> sandra: what i do think when you heard that? >> the state made this big to do out of conspiracy to influence the election which again is not a crown. one can look at a lot of things if someone runs a campaign and say it isn't the whole purpose to influence an election so that you win? they go by waves of an illegal