>> dana: also this from matthew -- talking to friends and family in the american midwest. many in d.c., they really don't like losing in a humiliating fashion. >> bill: gut wrenching images. we showed afghans drawing comparisons with the u.s. exit out of vietnam in 1975. in a moment the only america tv reporter who was in vietnam who witnessed the fall of saigon. he says the situation today is far worse. also with us the former obama advisor calling president biden to fire his national security advisor. he will make his case next. is holding rs, a the line on interest rates. the newday two and a quarter refi is the lowest in their history. two and quarter percent, just 2.48 apr. save thousands a year.