he gets around to biden and mentions biden's son and he mentions it a few times. that's why i say it's unfortunate. it's bad judgment. very bad judgment. but it doesn't come close in my view to being a crime or to being impeachable. that's the problem. >> laura: words like extortion used. shakedown. these terms are casually thrown around by even lawyers. speaking of lawyers, the media have been desperately trying to tag and drag bill barr, the attorney general, someone we all three of us know quite well. take a look. >> is barr going to now recuse himself? >> i don't see how he can't in light of the fact that he's named. >> i think attorney general barr should absolutely refuse. >> how can bill barr not recuse himself? >> level 1 to 10, ten being the