alone. we have had enough! >> michael brown -- it's just not right. it's just not fair. >> shoves him back into his car. punches him in the face. and then the officer grabs for his gun. michael grabs the gun. at one point the gun is teeltly turned against his chest. >> officer wilson never even had an attempt to actually make any overt law enforcement act. none. he never even had an opportunity to even get out of his car before he was attacked. the whole aggression here was michael brown. >> let me ask one last question. >> he set it in motion. >> there is never an excuse for violence against police or for those who would use this tragedy as a cover for vandalism or looting. >> i do not support the looting. i don't. but at the same time i understand the anger and frustration. >> i don't know how long people are going to protest, because this also just is not about mike brown. this is about police brutality. this is about racism. this is about racial profiling. and this is about a community that's trying to find its voice. >> on saturday, august 9th. 18-year-old michael brown was shot and killed in the st. louis suburb of ferguson, missouri. now, since that day riots and protests have raged on streets of that midwestern city. and so tonight we have put together a studio audience of legal, law enforcement and civil rights leaders to weigh in on all of these issues impacting ferguson and the united states as a whole. by the way, we're not going to just argue and debate. we will do some of that over the course of the next hour. hopefully we'll offer up solutions on how we could bridge this racial divide that exists in our great country. with that let me bring in our distinguished studio audience. good to see everybody. thank you all for being here. let me start with this. dorian johnson was with michael brown. he was the first person that i saw explain what happened. and he said we're just walking along, minding our own business, and then they shot him in the back. and not only that, we didn't do anything. and he had his hands up. and they executed him. i heard that and i heard two other witnesses. how many of you agree with me when you heard that first description, how many of you thought oh, my goodness, they shot this kid in cold blood. that's what i thought. raise your hand. how many of you thought that. jeannine, you didn't think that right away when you heard that? >> i didn't. one thing i've learned being in the media, shawn, you have to get all of the facts. you had too many people who were weighing in on predetermined decisions and judgements when we didn't know anything about what happened other than the fact that this individual was shot and killed. >> i learned that in the rich a ard jewel case. you remember in atlanta the olympic bombing. they said he was a hero. the atlanta constitution comes out he fits the profile of a lone bomber because he lived with his mother. i was on the air that day and i said that doesn't mean he did anything. he was listening that day. i didn't find out until later. he gave me a call and said you were the only one that defended me. i learned not to rush to judgment. now we've got two diametrically opposed versions of what happened that night. things have changed dramatically, i would argue over in favor of the police officer and his story darren wilson. now we hear that well, we know about the robbery at the convenience store, which i think is important and we'll debate that. but we also know that we have witnesses that are saying that michael brown bum rushed the police officer twice, once in the car. and that's where the first shot went off inside of the car. and then after he ran he might have put his hands up but then he charged at the officer. that would then change the entire legal definition of what happened that night. yes. >> you will find as being a former nypd detective, that the initial stories are normally false. and sometimes it's like a bad game of telephone. and what happens over time and when a grand jury is impanelled and when the fbi is now interviewing people under penalty of perjury, federal perjury, you'll see the stories change. and to believe a coconspirator in a forcible robbery is unbelievable to me. >> it was pretty compelling to me because it was not only dorian johnson, it was two other people that said the exact same thing. so i was thinking, three eyewitnesses. wow! >> it's talk on the street. >> now my next question is, how many of you changed your mind now that new facts that the orbital socket has been fractured in the police officer's eye, he had severe facial wounds, and now we've got witness testimony that says that in fact michael brown charged at the officer? how many of you have had a change of heart that maybe there's a whole other story here? >> well, i didn't change my mind at that point. when you asked the initial question you said, you just got the idea that he had been shot in the back. what changed my mind was when they said a cop reached out of his window to grab a guy that's 6'4", 290 pounds with his left arm. i'm thinking this could be better be a 500-pound gorilla to do something that stupid. because you wouldn't do it. and of course, we knew on the ground in st. louis that there had already been some issues with dorian johnson. >> are we really at a point that nobody -- none of us were there. >> right. >> i cannot say definitively tonight that i know what happened. >> no. >> i think what has happened in ferguson is many people have rushed to judgment. how many agree there's been a rush to judgment? how many believe in our judicial system you're innocent until proven guilty? we all agree with that. yeah. >> let me make a quick point. i think it's also crazy to assume that a big guy would rush to a cop unarmed and the cop is shooting at him. so it sounds crazy on both sides. the point is the point. we don't know what happened. we're all making assumptions. and until we have the facts, there was no camera. and so some of the things you just said, sean, were -- >> i'm only recounting new reports and eyewitness testimonies on both sides. and i've given an accurate description of what people are saying. >> the main issue here also is that those assumptions are more valid for certain communities than they are for others. because we're going to look at a situation like that if you're an african-american continuingly from the urban areas, you're going to look at a situation like that and say you know what i can see this happening because i saw it with eric garner and i've seen it in so many situations. >> let me ask you this hard question. the narrative after the video of the strong arm robbery came out, the narrative was first they assassinated michael brown. now they're assassinated michael brown's character. let me tell think it's relevant. because if ten minutes prior to this encounter with the police, if you just committed a robbery, doesn't that go to the mindset that you might have to the police? that goes to what michael brown's mindset was at that moment? >> suppose on the way to meeting that police officer he had in his mind that, you know what, i'm going to play it cool right now. we don't know what happened right in that exact moment. what he did prior to that, i understand that there may be some credibility issues in a court of law. but the reality is that officer playing judge and jury right at that moment? >> here's the difference. if in fact michael brown charged, that is justifiable use of force. if he did not charge he is guilty of executing a young unarmed man. very different. you're a lawyer. teisha. >> one of the things i wanted to point out, i watched a press conference with the governor. and a lot of people are quick to say, i want this cop to be convicted. there's a process. there has to be an investigation. and the jurors will ultimately decide. a lot of people are not thinking about that. they're just like without knowing the facts, he's wrong. we don't know. none of us know. and the jury's going to decide based on circumstantial evidence. >> let me ask you. you're alvita king. your uncle was dr. martin luther king jr. >> right. well, i have three adult children who are attorneys. and they said, watch it. watch what you say, mom. you can't rush and make a decision. you have to have all the facts. and king being nonviolent conflict resolution says get the information first. there are six steps. it needs to be peaceful. we need the k-n-o-w peace and justice. we need to calm the people down but we need the facts. >> immediately there was chantding in ferguson "death to the police. the only good cop is a dead cop." the new black panther party went into town. doctor, you talk about peaceful solutions. dr. martin luther king. they were saying, who do we want? darren wilson. how do we want him? dead. >> vengeance is not justice. those are the points that have to be made. >> and we saw this with your uncle, we saw it with my father. the classic civil rights leaders. when it comes toish use as sensitive as race, you investigate, you don't come out and make judgment. you don't do what the governor did which was stupid and talk about a rigorous prosecution. >> or is eric holder the right guy? saying we're a nation of cowards on race? >> he's one of those cowards obviously. he came in and weighed in and not operating like the attorney general for all the people of the united states but weighing in personally on his own personal experience. >> but there's only one person actually in this room that actually has intimate direct knowledge, at least to a certain extent he wasn't there, but dr. baden performed the autopsy. what do we learn from the autopsy, dr. baud snn. >> i performed the second autopsy at the request of the family. then there was a third -- >> you have performed 20,000 plus autopsies in your career. >> yes, in new york mostly. >> world renowned forensic pathologist. >> thank you. >> that's true. >> you're welcome. >> i think what we learned -- that's interesting what's been discussed. we learned from the autopsy what happened to michael brown. he was shot six times. six bullets struck him. we don't know how many missed. we know that three went through his arm and didn't stay in the body. so that one of the problems to me, just working over here, is shooting at someone in an open space with people are just lucky that nobody else was hurt or injured by the bullets that didn't stay in -- >> cans i ask you a question? would an orbital socket fraction would that inhibit the ability of the officer to see? >> it could. but you're doing what you're criticizing. >> i'm asking a question. >> you're assuming -- >> here you go. take over the show. >> no. you're making your point in a very interesting way. there have been no official reports of what happened to the police officer. somebody leaked the fact that it's orbital fracture. we don't know if it's true. because we got to see the records. and if there were a punch to the eye that caused injury to the eye, certainly he would have problems seeing. >> he would? >> yeah. >> that's what i'm asking. you are able to determine because there's no gun powder residue on michael brown's body that it took that it took at least -- it wasw at least two feet away in terms of the office from michael brown. >> right. it wasn't right up close. let me ask this.e as i've been a firearm -- i've carried a firearm more than half my life.my and i was a pistol marksman when i was 12 years old. so i know a lot about the use of weapons. >> right. >> and so my question to you i, if he had the orbital socket fracture, his adrenaline's flowing. >> right. >> if that scenario is correct h that michael brownat was runnin towards him, is it possible he hit him three times here. didn't stop him.op michael kept coming.in and that would be the reason for the six shots? i'm asking hypothetically. >> that's possible. there's only one of the six shots that caused him to die when he did, which is of the six bullets that struck him. one that came to the top of the head and brain. o that wasne the one that was lethal. >> that stopped him immediately. >> that stopped himel immediate. >> we're going to take a break.t we have a lot more to get to tonight. here, glad d you're you made it. coming up tonight on "hannity." >> how many times was he shot and where was he shot? and why did he lie in the street for several hours? that was a kind of a state execution. >> so the word of three revereno jesseba jackson, president obam and al sharpton. are they helps oren hurting whas happening in missouri? i'll pose that question to our u investigation as "hannity special edition" continues. ng that's not how it works. i mean it's so simple. it's like my car insurance. i saved 15% in fifteen minutes. well esurance could have saved you money in half that time. three in a row! sweet! 15 minutes for a quote isn't so sweet. level 2! start with a quote from esurance and you could save money on car insurance in half the time. welcome to the modern world. esurance, backed by allstate. click or call. welc . welcome back to this audience edition of "hannity" as we examine the racial divide in america in the wake of the shooting of michael brown. it has been well over a week since the teenager was shot and killed by a ferguson police officer. since that fateful day we have seen people from the president and beyond weighing in on this tragedy. let's take a look. >> there's no excuse for excessive force by police or any action that denies people the right to protest peacefully. ours is a nation of laws, for the citizens who live under them and for the citizens who enforce them. >> how can the young folk of the city believe in a system that would try to spit on the name and character of a young man who hasn't even been buried? >> how many times was he shot? and where was he shot? and why did he lie in the street for several hours? that was a kind of a state execution. >> so are those comments helping or hurting the community of ferguson and beyond? we go back to our studio audience. rod wheeler been around law enforcement a long time. those comments help or hurt? >> those comments did not help at all. the reason i can tell you that, sean, last friday night i was there in ferguson in the middle of the riots. and i spoke with all the people that we're talking about that was doing the rioting. and i was asking them, and i asked them one specific question. i said, if president obama is watching this show right now -- because i was interviewing them -- what would you say to him? this is what i asked the same guys that was out there rioting. they all looked at me and they said, we'd say goodbye. because they feel as though -- this is really the bottom line, guys. talking to those folks. they feel as though the government has turned their backs on them. they feel as though young african-american males are treated like second-class citizens. so the shooting of mike brown is more than just the shooting of mike brown. it's about what's going on in america. even right here in new york. and don't fool yourself. don't kid yourself. what happened in ferguson can happen any day. and i'm sure the panel will agree with me can happen any day in any city in america. >> see, i agree with you. i would argue, kevin, that a lot of this is socioeconomic. in other words, when you have an economy where 50 million americans are on food stamps, 100 million americans on welfare in some shape, manner or form, the lowest labor participation rate. in the black community black teenagers can't get summer jobs, 60% of them they're hanging out with their friends. >> to echo what ron said, ways there i don't remember which day because biechb there are three or four days. one of the days they were saying f obama, f sharpton to talk about what he was zblag so they're having no impact. they're hurting. >> zero impact. nobody cared. exactly the same reasons. in fact, a lot of these kids were thinking of the looting as sort of getting back something that they weren't provided by the nation. so they looked at it like hey, it's shopping. >> let me go to joe. joe works for a media web site that hates me [ laughter ] >> that's such a strong word. >> they use my name just to get all the liberals to say i'm dumb and stupid and every other comment with. that said, welcome to the program. >> thanks. >> let's talk about the media aspect of this. al sharpton host on nbc news, right? >> correct, yes. >> do you think it's been responsible? do you think it's over the top top? do you think you can be an activist and a host at the same time? >> sean, there are two aspects to television news these days. there's first the less important aspect which is the business side. and in this case you're not getting an roi, return of investment on al sharpton being there. audience numbers. he gets beat by cnn in his time slot, latest report from yesterday 2 to 1. he gets beat by bret baier 6 to 1. he's injected himself. >> go on, bret baier. let's go. >> he's injected himself in the story and you're still not getting any kind of ratings bump. more importantly got to look at integrity, all right? every host job is to present two sides of every story and let the audience come to their own conclusions. >> i am a conservative commentator. i'm the editorial page of the newspaper. let's look at it from a law enforcement. jonathan from a law enforcement standpoint. i watch what's going on. and everyone's criticized the militarization of the police. >> right. >> when you're being hit with molotov cocktails, rocks and gunfire, i think our cops need to be protected. i think they need every bit of that equipment. am i wrong? >> you're not wrong. but when we speak of the militarization of the law enforcement, what we're really talking about is militarization of a very small group of police. the rest of the police are really being taught learned helplessness. they're not allowed to do warrants anymore, drug seizures, certain types of arrests. they're getting less and less training while s.w.a.t. is getting more equipment and more training. mr. wheeler hit on something that's excellent here. but i don't think this is a black-whitish you. what i think we're having here is -- because it could happen anywhere. we're having a lack of preparedness issue. these problems can be solved way before they happen. somebody like jesse jackson of al sharpton coming up there, they just throw fire or gas on that flame. if we as leaders in the communities could actually start looking at this way before, it's the same as if we trained all law enforcement. >> i agree. the whole policing community. jason, i got a question. how many people died in chicago last weekend? seven. you know how many people were injured? 29. isn't jesse jackson from chicago? >> he is from chicago. but jesse jackson's got an agenda. that agenda is to blame whites for what's going on with black. chicago doesn't naurt agenda. so jesse's out making hay about white on black vile eps so to speak instead of black on black violence. but to the point about al sharpton, it's interesting. it shows that al sharpton is not only making trouble, but media helps him make trouble. you say the things that al sharpton says and you get a show on television. you say the things that i say about personal responsibility and black behavior, and you might get on hannity's panel. which i appreciate. >> wow. [ laughter ] >> wow. >> good night, everybody. we'll see you. >> no. my point is that the media continues to go back to the same individuals to speak on behalf of the black community. they're helping make the problem worse by continuing to run to the al sharp tons and the jesse jacksons to speak on behalf of black. >> you're raising a great point. one of the reasons i started doing these audience shows is because of the woman right behind you. one day me, danine and her husband had a conversation about the treatment of black conservatives in america. i think it was some of the best shows we've ever done. you can say anything you want about a black conservative. you can call them any name, uncle tom, traitor, sell out, and it's acceptable in a politically correct society. what's your take on all of this? >> you're absolutely right. the other point i wanted to make is in regards to the media. because if you're getting your news from the same source in regards to black individuals, there's a message of victimization throughout the black community that is portrayed from jesse jackson, al sharpton, eric holder. it's the same message that is resonating over and over again. if you're not getting your resources or information elsewhere, this is the mindset of individuals. and they believe they're victims, sean. the least little thing that happens it's someone else's fault. not my fault. it's a me versus them mentality. i've seen it on the news, naacp. it's the same message. >> my christian belief teaches me this. it may shock you i went to an seminary. education is predicated on the belief god has given every man, woman and child a talent. it's our duty to bring it out of them. we are not serving these kids well we'll come back and examine the rush to judgment. the overwhelming effort on the left to vilify law enforcement in the wake of the shooting death of michael brown as this edition of "hannity" continues. when you go the extra mile to help business owners save on commercial auto insurance, you tend to draw a following. 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[ back-up beeping, honking ] a truckload of discounts for your business -- now, that's progressive. welcome back to our audience edition of "hannity" in the wake of shooting death of black teenager michael brown some lawmakers and members of the mainstream media and hollywood's finest have been quick to viciously attack the law enforcement's handling of the situation. let's take a look at their reaction. >> how can you justify killing and shooting down a man in the middle of the street execution style? >> police behavior then also created the following crisis, which was the war zone style incompetent extreme use of force police rioting. >> there is nothing going on on this street right now that merits this scene out or bagrah. nothing. >> there are people in this country who do not like african-americans and despise black men. there is a war on black boys in this country. in my opinion there is a war on african-american men. it's going to turn into a genocide if it doesn't stop. >> i just think there's a war on the black male. and it's tearing the country apart. >> you have a widespread belief, this police department kind of has it in for african-americans. >> all right. we bring back our studio audience for reaction. mercedes, if i was in trouble you're it. you're the person. you're a great defense attorney. to a certain extent you cannot disagree that there probably, based on crime statistics, i don't think there's any doubt that young black men are singled out more than other groups. and how many agree with that? everybody? >> absolutely. >> okay. crime statistics also show that they may be more likely. to what extent is that unfair to them? because i believe it is happening. and i think we've got to deal with that part of the equation. >> it really comes down to the process. it's what kisha said. there is a process in place. there is a presumption of innocence. we all said it, all raised our hand here. as long as there's an investigation when these crimes, these allegations are happening, and the due process is given to those individuals who are facing those allegations and crimes, then we can say that justice is being served and that the legal system is actually in place. >> if you were the lawyer for this case -- i know you're a great lawyer -- based on what you know now, the two diametrically opposed stories and you were arguing for the judge for the police officer, do you think he'd get off? >> if i can establish that those severe injuries were because of that scuffle. >> michael brown? >> exactly. >> if you could establish that witnesses saying that he charged the officer? >> charged the office offer. >> reasonable doubt. >> and there was a young girl that actually filmed it. she said there was undoubtedly a scuffle in that police car before the shooting. >> that's right. >> so you've got that young girl who videotaped it, saw what took place. >> you think you'd get not guilty? you're very confident? >> i can as long as you can establish this. you've got to have a new venue. >> the problem is the courtroom is not the place to heal these wounds. there are clearly wounds. if you look at the pew study that just came out in response to all this, you will see there's a big divide in america. we're not going to heal anytime response to rodney king or trayvon martin or michael brown. we have to come together when term percent aren't so high to have these conversations and to address these things when everyone hasn't backed into their positions. >> i want to tell you something, heather. if i did this show and there wasn't a big story in the news, it wouldn't have as high ratings as it's going to probably have tonight. that's the reality. but i agree with you that discussion. let me ask some of the black members of this audience. you know how they break everything down politically, demographically? young black men. you all know the crime statistics. you all know that they are stopped more frequently than others. what could be done to stop it? i'll start with you, rod. >> i think we definitely need to look at our educational system. that needs to be improved in a lot of different communities across the country. and then obviously when you tacked about poverty, unemployment, underemployment, those are the kind of variables that's going to have to play a significant role in changing the dynamics and changing the mind sets of young african-american males for anybody. >> from a law enforcement perspective. you're a liberal. i want to ask you. >> i'm a democrat. >> same thing. >> i think two things. one is on a more immediate level we need to look at body cameras with these police officers. there's a lot of distrust. i like that. >> i don't like the idea of having to trust what the cop said or what cops who are basically part of the same system -- >> you ever see those go pro cameras? those little go pro cameras? my kids use it in their training. and i got to tell you, those things are amazing. how about every cop has a go pro camera? >> the second point is that also real quick we need to also look at with these cops, i lost my train of thought. sorry. >> yes. >> this could have been solved with the go pro. because if you would have seen what the officer saw -- now let's assume, and it's stupid to assume. but let's assume the cop had no idea who michael brown was that day. michael brown and his accomplice know they just committed a forcible robbery. at that point in time with the go pro camera and the video that's coming off the officer, it could have been solved in hours. >> can i ask you a question? let me go back and ask this question. could this solve maybe the problem of people -- there are instances where people run fairly profiled. would police officers having cameras in the front and back right here and right in the back so get a full perspective? would that help? i think that would help. >> i hate when you say it's unfairly. look. that's like saying math is racist. it is the math that is telling the police who to profile. chinese kids were committing crimes they'd be going after chinese kids. >> hold on. i want to hear this. >> we've all been stopped. i betcha everybody on this panel has been stopped. you know what we do? we behave. we act appropriately. and you know why i do it? because i want the cop the next time he cease a young black man he does not feel threatened. and we all have that responsibility. >> listen. i got pulled over by a liberal cop that hated my guts [ laughter ] >> he threatened to take me to jail. and he says, i could take your license right now. but it's not the same thing. i don't want to compare it. kisha. >> to answer your question about being profiled. i do think there's a heightened level of fear of african-american males. but i think that african-american males. >> jesse jackson said that. >> i don't agree with jesse jackson and al sharpton. if they want to help the community, go and teach the kids about education, about carrying yourself in a proper manner, instead of perpetuating the stereotype. and that's what's happened. i know i'm going to catch a lot of slack but i don't care because it's the truth. >> let me say amen to what she just said. what we need more than anything else is hard real truths. there was more racism in the 1960s before her father and uncle and my father changed this country for the better. there was more racism, more police brutality and less crime. why? more intact families, more black families, more black men stayed in the household being responsible fathers to their children, bringing up black boys responsibly. that's going to go a long way. that's not politically correct thing to say, but it's the truth. >> todd stearns then we got to break. >> sean, i think this does go back to the breakdown of the family. we really need to have that conversation. what really impressed me about what i saw coming out of ferguson were the pastors and the churches standing up. when the pastors intervened -- >> they helped a lot. >> they were coming out and exposing the national black panther head who was getting those crowds rowdy. they were the ones out there telling people to calm down and to protest peacefully to get to the truth. >> i got to tell you something. of the 120 people arrested, only four were from ferguson. they were from all these other states. which is not a ferguson problem. >> so sean, but the government is trying to fix a problem they cannot fix. >> if i say to the black community question got to keep our families intact? will they listen to me or say hannity you're racist for bringing that up? >> well, back to dr. king, we used to have black leader that is talked about this. dr. king went to st. louis in 1961 and told the congregation, do you know we are 10% of the people in st. louis but responsible for 58% of the crime? we need to do something about our moral standards. black leaders used to talk like that. they don't anymore. >> i want to come back to you when we come back. we'll take a break. we'll come back and coming up next tonight right here on "hannity". >> in things racial we have always been and we i believe continue to be in too many ways essentially a nation of cowards. >> those words from the man leading the federal government's response to the unrest in ferguson. that's coming up next. we'll get response from our studio audience. and it proofs that they are far from cowards, by the the way. and we'll get solutions from them to narrow the racial divide in america as "hannity" continues. if you suffer from constipation, you will likely also suffer from gas. introducing new dulcogas, which starts working to eliminate gas bubbles in minutes for effective relief. dulcogas, from the makers of dulcolax- nothing relieves gas faster. dulcogas, from the makers of dulcolax- geicmoney for over 75 years.save they've really stood the test of time. much like these majestic rocky mountains. which must be named after the... that would be rocky the flying squirrel, mr. gecko sir. obviously! ahh come on bullwinkle, they're named after... ...first president george rockington! that doesn't even make any sense...mr...uhh...winkle. geico. fifteen minutes could save you fifteen percent or more on car insurance. welcome back to welcome back to our audience edition of "hannity." the chief law enforcement officer of the united states eric holder arrived in ferguson this week to lead the federal government's response to the unrest in ferguson following the death of 18-year-old michael brown. but is attorney general eric holder the right man for this job based on these comments that he made just a few years ago? >> though this nation has proudly thought of itself as an ethnic melting pot, in things racial we have always been and we i believe continue to be in too many ways essentially a nation of cowards. >> all right. we bring back our studio audience for their reaction. he also made a similar comment after he testified before congress that he and president obama were treated differently, insinuating it was about race. we went to ferguson, jason, and while in ferguson he said i don't come here just as the attorney general but also as a black man. which i thought brought race into it. i think he's got to be objective. you said something before the break. i'd like you to repeat that. >> i said there was a time when the black leadership in this country wanted to confront black criminalality head on and not make excuses for it. they used to talk about personal responsibility. one of those leaders was dr. king, who told a congregation in st. louis in 1961, do you know that we are 10% of the population but responsible for 58% of the crimes. he says, we have to confront that. we have to do something about our moral standards. we can't keep blaming the white man. that was dr. king in 1961. you would be very hard pressed to find someone of the stature of an al sharpton or jesse jackson talking that way today. >> as much as i think -- [ overlapping speakers ] >> that's your uncle. how old were you when dr. king was assassinated? >> ways married the next year after they killed my dad. so i was 18 years old. >> you spent a lot of time with him. you were on the road with him. >> and i write about all this in my book "king rules" including the point about morality and all that. as the mother of six children and nine grandchildren, four sons and six grandsons, they are discouraged, even my sons. i said, honey, he made this point. you're not a victim. you come from a legacy. stand above that and speak peace to power. and morality is a factor, education is a factor, prayer is a factor. >> amen. >> that is what martin luther king jr. believed? >> you know, judge alex, you're a judge, obviously. >> i thought that was obvious from the name. [ laughter ] >> all right. i'm leaving again. you know, when you think about this, we failed all these kids in a lot of ways. because i think we start them out in an educational system that has failed them. i'll give you two examples. recently comrade deblasio, the mayor of new york, took on the charter school system that was actually where they had an 80% pass rate versus a city--wide 30% pass rate. it was an all girls public school in harlem that was put up. all girls. it was hugely successful. and then they got sued by a liberal organization and shut down. why is this mysterious reluctance and resistance of the left to fix the root of the problem? educate these kids, good role models in the community, and bring the best out of them. the country would be better for it. >> you're right. i mean, i absolutely agree. i think we're trying to put band aids on a problem that can't be fixed with band aids. the people rushing to judgment, the people who are out there making up their mind this early on either backing that this was an improper shooting that it was to use the word of jesse jackson a state execution or the other side, the ones going out there saying this officer was completely justified. they don't know any more than we do. they're looking at the fractuat their perspective. >> are they conditioned that america is against them? is this a narrative being echoed and repeated over and over again. >> not only is it being excode and repeated. of course racism does exist. if you are african-american and your whole life people are looking at you when you're going into a store and following you around. >> how many think most americans are racist? how many think only a small percentage of people are racist? i think it's a small percentage of ignorant people. >> but still if you're a minority in this country you still do feel as a minority in this country. so you're looking at it from that perspective. the problem isn't that they form their opinions early on. the problem is that the opinions that they form early on are fixed opinions. they don't want to back out of them. >> kisha and mercedes, i want to ask both you this question. i know you're parents and i know your kids. both of you have done a great job raising your kids. both of you have done a phenomenal job. did race come into play in any way, shape, matter or form in the raising of your kids that are groing to grow up and follo in your foot steps? >> to be honest, my daughter didn't even know anything about black, white, asian. she looked on everybody as oh, mommy there's a tan girl in my class and she's really nice. when someone said to her, how many black children are in your classroom? she said no one's black. i don't say that to say my daughter's ignorant. but i want her to look at people for who they are. >> she's color blind. >> and i love that. >> isn't that innocence kind of special? too bad the rest of us aren't like that. too bad society is not like that. >> it starts at home. it really does. >> i agree with you. >> for my kid, i tell my kids the only limitations you have in life are the ones you impose on yourself. yer they're absolutely color blind. my daughter and i were in court together, take your daughter to court day -- work day. >> is this what it's going to be like when you get arrested, honey. >> so out comes the deputy clerk would happens to be a young african-american woman. and she's approaching us. and my daughter's all excited. she goes mommy mommy is that the judge? i said how fabulous that she knew, hey, there's no limitation to anything that you want in life. >> when she sees her mother get up at 4:30 a.m., work out and work until the late hours of the night a lot. that's your role model. that's your role model. by the way, basil. >> can i say this? there are people in our communities that are having this conversation every single day. i helped start a school called the eagle academy. public school in the bronx all boys. they're on their fifth, sixth school right now. there are people that are doing this on a day-to-day basis. there are more black men in college now than there ever has been. the problem is that they can't stay there. because of the income inequality, social capital inequality. >> i'm not buying that. you want to go to college you can go to college. >> what's happening is that they're there but they can't finish. >> i got to break. >> there are issues not so much because there are not people in our communities trying to do this. >> there are. you see the line for andre agassi's school that he built out in vegas? i mean, so many kids there's not enough room for them. if you build it these kids will come. >> they're doing it in our communities, too. >> we've got to take a break. when we come back, final thoughts, solutions from our audience on the aftermath of shooting of michael brown. state relations in america as "hannity" continues. 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