bad day for journalism. now they are looking at the upcoming debate with parent company nbc and demanding new assurances that next time the candidates will be treated fairly. watch. >> the truth is is that we were betrayed. i think the candidates were betrayed by cnbc and we need to look out for the candidates in the future debates. if questions. >> reporter: argumentative, patty, put downs in in cases, purposefully pitting candidates against each other. everything they promised not to do from the beginning to the end. so, look, cnbc is an arm of nbc. i am not going to allow us to move forward until we communicate with the candidates. obviously we had assurances that it was going to be straight up finance which is what they do every day. and what was delivered was just nothing but a crap sandwich. >> meantime the republican presidential campaigns may be taking things into their own hands. they are meeting this sunday but the rnc is not invited to the meeting and now the candidates are taking their complaints public. >> i've seen things that are so bad with the press. they were really asking questions that were bad but what else is new? >> be ready to hear that the campaigns are going to not allow the networks to control this process. >> i've asked my staff to reach out to the other campaigns to talk about a change in format. moderators who are interested in actually getting the facts and not in gotcha questions in zblcht change of network is not going to matter. we need a structural change. what i would suggest, allow all of us to have a say. quit trying to micromanage. this process has hurt our efforts to win. >> mike huckabee is here. he'll be at the meeting on sunday. and chris spire walt on how the campaigns are handling the media. we begin with trace. >> the gop presidential candidates are angry at cnbc had how it was kanded but the candidates aren't pleased with how the rnc has part med to set the rules and now ten of the campaigns including donald trump and ben carson are holding a meeting on sunday to talk about improving future debates. but experts say not inviting the rnc is a fairly big slap in the face. rnc chair is well aware of the anger. listen. >> our job is to stand up for our candidates and so the first thing that has to happen is talk to the candidates, see what it is that they want, and what we need to advocate for. so that's the first step. i mean, it's all about, obviously, putting the candidates in the best light possible so communicating with them is always first. >> and while he defends his backside, he's attacking on the front side going after nbc news for what he calls cnbc's betrayal. in a letter, he writes, quote, while debates are meant to include tough questions and contrast candidate's visions and policies for the future of america, cnbc moderators engaged in a series of gotcha questions, petty and mean spirited in tone and designed to embarrass our bds. he did not mention the silly questions but the candidates did. watch. >> wait a second. we have $19 trillion in debt. we have people out of work. we have isis and al qaeda attacking us and we're talking about fantasy football? >> nbc news maintains it had no editorial control over the cnbc debate and reminded the rnc exactly who they're planning to leave at the altar writing this is a disappointing developmentment but along with our broadcast partners we'll work to resolve this issue. tell mun doe is america's second largest spanish commercial network. >> trace, thank you. joining me with more, our fox news digital editor and the host of media buzz. welcome to your both. they're saying that they're not going to do the nbc debate, and now they're having some meeting without the rnc present. what are they actually trying to accomplish here, chris? >> well, it's not clear at this exact moment which campaigns will be participating in this meeting and which ones won't. they all have a different set of interests. if you are ted cruz or marco rubio, had an awesome debate, you want more and you don't care what the questions are. you just want to get up there and kill them, and that's good. that's what you want. if you are donald trump, if you are ben carson and you're in the lead, debates and especially tough rough and tumble debates, that's not what you want. if your jeb bush, the thought of a debate stage must be a terrifying image. >> he's not reportedly going to this meet zblchlgt trying to get this herd together so they have an agreed point of view on what exactly they want out of the subsequent debates is not going to be easy. >> they are going. they may have reversed themselves on this. >> how much of this ranger angee rnc is real? >> he's genuinely ticked off at the train wreck, but here's what's going on. i'm told that what the rnc wants is for nbc to gotravel a little bit. after a couple of meetings, they kiss and make up. i think the nbc debate will take place, and he's also working the refs. >> that's that about? is this an attempt to get nbc news to soften up its questioning on their debate, and is that appropriate? >> it is not hard to imagine that if it's nbc debate comes off in february, that the m moderatomod ra ray or thes might be more respectful for fear of being the subject of these attacks on the media. and also on other networks taking note of this. bashing the media, especially when they do such a bad job, can hurt all of us. >> what about the anger at the rnc? this notion that riens preeb us has any role as we what we do as a moderator is a bunch of nonsense. can i tell you i never heard from him. he never saw a question and when he tried to mess with who the moderators would be, our boss said no. >> i have no idea what other networks do. i have no idea what input the rnc had on theirs. over here, what we do is good debates. that's what we do. if i may say, the best debates. we did the best debates last cycle. we'll do the best debates this cycle. we'll invite the candidates to come. we hope they come. the relationship the rnc has is to see if you go to debate that's not sanctioned, we'll dock you delegates . >> why are people pretending that he had all the power? i guess they didn't think he should have sanctioned the debate at all? >> it's one thing for the campaign or the rnc to negotiate with networks if there's two or three hours or opening statements. they have no business getting into the scope or kind of questions. if this keeps up, they might run the risk of sounding whiny about taking tough questions. >> right now they're saying we might have the debate still with national review. the debate goes forward but just with national review? what about telemundo? does nbc have a point, cancel on us, and you cancel on them, and you'll hurt yourself. >> the threat is that you will be even more racest than nbc news has previously intimated that you are and we'll have the proof. >> we looked it up and you're ten times for racist than previously imagined. i think in the end nbc news is going to do the debate. i think this is effective outrage they will use to say you'd better tighten this up and not -- >> andy lack does not control nbc. a different guy does. >> if you have a barge pole that you can poke them with or anything that's a point of outrage so you can say we don't want you to resurrect keith olbermann about how terrible everybody is? >> good to see you both. as we mentioned, while the rnc seems to be taking action, the candidates are planning something of their own. when we come back, we'll ask governor mike huckabee about what's going on with this big and unusual meeting among a number of the top campaigns. >> i don't believe the government ought to wear a team jersey and pick winners and losers. the government should use a striped shirt. let me close it up, quickly. you owned your car for four years. you named it brad. you loved brad. and then you totaled him. you two had been through everything together. two boyfriends. three jobs. 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one of the things that cnbc has done is something nobody else has been able to do. they brought all of the republican candidates for president together in a way we haven't been to now. the point of the meeting is so that the campaigns if necessary take control of the process. the reason is because we take this seriously because we're running for president. we don't want to be just elements of somebody's game show or their entertainment venue so they can drive up their ratings, beat up rev yothe revenues. >> let's say you can insist on certain things. what would they do that would ensure a better outcome? >> the two thing that they absolutely promised would happen. this is why we were upset. they said it would focus on the company and financial issues, it would be a stubstance debate. regulation, economic ftax, trad policies. they also said they had algorithms and it was going to monitor who had time, how many questions were being asked of each candidate. i got three questions the whole night. several candidates got more than three times. some people, they enforced the rules on. others they let them go, roll all over the clock. they lost the clock. >> if have you had any input from cnbc that last one? >> they haven't said anything. they never apologized. we even had technical issues. i was on one end of the stage, i could not hear what was going on on the other end of the stage. here's the big thing, we can handle tough questions. we're running for president. throw your best shot at me but don't ask me to comment about the character of another candidate. if you want to talk about me, fair game. if you want to ask me about my policies, fair game, but the worst information you'll get into from another candidate is me. the worst information you're going to get about me is from another candidate on the stage. so challenge me. tick take me on. >> i know a lot of people are unhappy with the rnc. i don't care about the rnc or the dnc. i'm wondering if they really are to blame. he doesn't have control over the he doesn't control what i asked or anybody else asks. it's sort of -- was it a mistake to trust cnbc? i think everyone was surprised by the tone, maybe not everybody, but many people were surprised by the tone adopted. >> well, i don't personally blame the rnc as much as i do cnbc. the only thing -- i don't know what they would have done than stepping out in the middle of the debate and saying we're done. >> that would have been dramatic. >> it would have been. they were tossing us cheese and hoping we would act like rats all night long. i think a lot of us realize that's not why we're here. we're here to talk to republican voters. this is not just an entertainment venue. this is the serious business of selecting a nominee. we failed to talk about the issues. >> does it hurt you if you don't go forward with the debate? >> it doesn't mean that we can't have a debate or have a debate with telemundo or you any vision. maybe we'll contract with 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the victor with him. at the same time, rubio is seeing a surge of fund raising, he's also seeing a surge of attacks. rich lowry is joining us. it's not just from the democrats. >> the bush campaign is bragging about they have a file so big on rubio there's no file cabinet yarks basically that can contain it. and if this memo that was leaked, 112 memo, there's nothing new. that has been chewed over since he ran for senate the first time against kris, and he used a lot of this material. they say you don't really know a candidate until he runs for candidate. if this is all there is, it's likely to be -- >> how the leaked information, in light of all the nice things he's said about rubio, including he was ready to be vice president a few years ago. >> that's a big contradiction for bjeb bush. he endorsed him and then wanted him to be vice president. if there are all these disqualifying things, why wasn't jeb aware of it. >> putting aside the difficult of jeb raising that. i'm sure that's why this was leaked, most people weren't paying attention to rubio. while it may be old news to people like you, someone sitting at home may say what, tell me what it is. what it appears to be is marco is a risky bet. he has no accomplishments which negate the hit against clinton cloic clinton. his misuse of state party credit cards and funds and he's tied to some scandal ridden congressman. we're deep in the weeds here. >> they'll try. a number of the things he's going to have to play defense on. he's adept at playing defense and making it a positive. the credit card thing has been out there and appears to be sloppiness, not corruption. >> the last one is those who have looked into marco's background in the past have been concerned about what they found. i've always found that with people who spent time with him before running for president. that's been circulated. >> it's a little slimy unless you tell us what it is. the rubio people will say, charlie kris wanted to kill us. the rnc 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