>> you could have killed bin laden. >> yeah, i could have. >> bill: caution. you are about to enter the no spin zone. "the factor" begins right now. >> bill: hi, i'm bill o'reilly. thanks for watching us tonight. violence picks up in the occupy wall street protest. that is the subject of this evening's talking points memo. as you may know, my pal, glenn beck, believes the protest movement is just the beginning of a world wide far left revolt. beck bases his assessment on what's happening in greece, italy ask other places. but trying to cut back on entitlement spending and protesters are going wild. with the economy bad pretty much everywhere, there is some sympathy for these kinds of protests around the globe. talking points is not quite as agitated as beck is, but we are watching the situation very closely here in the usa. and there is no question that the violent component of the demonstrations is on the rise. right now the occupiers are clustered in 20 american cities with new york being the center piece. so far more than 900 protesters have been arrested in this city. the cost of the demonstrations is approaching $4 million, which will be borne by the new york taxpayer. in oakland, california, things are getting rowdy, according to some reporters on the scene. >> the tone out here has changed. we have been threatened. they were telling us if we tried to take our cameras into the plaza and into the camp area, they would take our cameras and break them. >> tonight constitutional rights were tread on. tv crews were man handled by occupation protesters. our cameras nearly flung to the ground following what amounted to an edict by occupation organizers. >> we ask that you point your cameras towards city hall and not towards the tents. >> claiming we weren't asking consent to videotape while in a public place, one dog went after a local reporter. that dog's teeth snagged on his suit coat. it's the only thing that saved his arm. >> bill: talking points believes there is now danger, people being hurt and killed because some of these protesters are out of control? in cleveland, there is an allegation that one of the protesters raped a woman. and whenever you have thousands of people emotionally charged, anything could happen. america honors protest, it's part of our tradition, makes the country strong. but as we have been reporting, the occupy wall street demonstrations are not just about economics. you have radical people stirring up trouble and according to a recent survey, 31% of the new york city protesters believe using violence is okay in order to accomplish their goals. the authorities must continue to be restrained, but they also must have very definite rules. any law breaking has to be prosecuted. any threats have to be taken seriously. "the factor" is all over the story because we believe it has the potential to get out of hand. and it does. and that's a memo. now for the top story, let's go out to the bay area for analysis. joining us, the former mayor of san francisco, willie brown. first of all, you know the turf. you know kgo and i guess it's cbs affiliate out there. i forget the call letters. these aren't anti-protest stations. yet they're getting a hard time by some of these protesters. what say you? >> well, i tell you that over in oakland, i'm surprised because there are -- there has been some misunderstanding about your right to protest, where you can do it, and what you have in terms of the control of the turf on which you think you can protest. it's just not healthy as it now stands and the mayor in oakland is going to have a very difficult time of ultimately controlling it. on the other hand, in san francisco, it's quite different. the protests were creating problem ons the sidewalks in front of the federal reserve building, some conversations went down with the mayor. they relocated to another spot for their tent purposes and i would guess that slowly but surely those tents are not going to develop any tenure. that's what you have to avoid in all of these protests. you protect the right to protest, but you can not allow them to interfere with the use of space that all of us are entitled to. >> bill: what do you make of the survey by a liberal magazine here in new york city that a third of the protesters say violence is all right? what do you make of that? >> i think it does frankly a disservice to what is a legitimate opportunity to express your disagreement with the policies that have created huge unemployment and other kinds of social ills. but it is not good to have anybody look with any negative on the protests. i don't have got to have a positive response. you've got to be like martin luther king, jr. was if you want this nation to develop any sympathy. >> bill: because two things bother me about this. i don't think it's an economically based protest anymore. number two, a lot of these radical people will destroy property and hurt you for whatever reason. now, what is the difference, in your opinion, between these protests and the tea party protests? >> well, i think that obviously at this moment the tea party protesters have not incurred the wrath of the public officials on the law enforcement side as has been the case currently in oakland where the television cameras have been barred and other kinds of things of that nature. i also know that there appears not to be the kind of response to a survey about violence connected with the protest movement, as you call the tea party. but i don't think, however, that the tea party is ultimatelied as potentially universal as is the case with the occupy wall street. >> bill: let me challenge you now in that. the last election proved that the tea party is quite the clout. as they put into the house of representatives a number of people that turned the tide against the democrats in that body. now, i don't see the protests, wall street people putting anybody into any office at any time, so therefore, i think the tea party is much more powerful than this. >> be clear. many democrats in this country that are saying things like yes, we must protect the right for them to protest, frankly hoping that it will morph itself into a movement that may assist in barak obama's reelection -- >> bill: how could that be possible? if barak obama's regime -- that's a bad word. if barak obama's administration has presided now for throw years and the economy has gotten worse as it has, how can this possibly help him? it draws attention to the bad economy and he's part of the problem, is he not? >> i don't think he's part of the problem. >> bill: really? >> i think he's trying to fashion a solution. i think his current jobs proposal is one of trying to fashion a solution. >> bill: okay. but that's a liberal point of view and you're a democrat and you're entitled to it. but just strip away the politics here. you're just a guy and you've elected a guy to turn the economy around and he hasn't done it and you have to say, well, i still agree with him -- you do -- but he really hasn't done the job yet. so how can these protests highlighting that, help him? >> i think if there is an objective discussion of barak obama's performance over the last three years plus, i think you'll find that there is a sufficient case to be made for his achievements within the time frame given to him. >> bill: why then do the polls not reflect that? >> i think the polls reflect disenchantment with the whole political process. >> bill: no, with him. the specific question, how do you rate barak obama in on the economy and he's in the 30s. >> barak obama's numbers are better than any of his opponents. just go back and take a look at it. >> bill: no, they're not economically better than romney's. huh-uh. all right. go ahead, last word. >> barak obama's numbers are better than any one of his opponents. and i think he would welcome romney as his opponent. >> bill: well, he might have them. be careful what you wish for. isn't that the old adage? it could be cain -- if you get into the race and change parties, it could be you, mr. mayor. thanks for coming on. always good to see you. next on the rundown, biden tries to convince fourth graders to support the jobs bill. wait 'til you hear this. later, president obama declares an end to the iraq war. gadhafi's body apparently is in a freezer. geraldo with the latest upcoming. some vehicles sacrifice luxury to improve fuel efficiency. but the jeep grand cherokee uses advanced technology. like the quadra-lift air suspension that lowers the vehicle at highway speeds to improve aerodynamics and deliver a more than 540 mile driving range. so you can raise your standards while lowering your fuel consumption. ♪ music music music we're centurylink we're committed to improving lives and linking americans to what matters most with honest personal service 5 year price lock guarantees, consistantly fast speeds and more ways to customise your technology >> bill: impact segment, the senate said no to more parts of president obama's jobs bill last night. it's basically all about money. the republicans and a few democrats simply will not okay any more speculative spending by the federal government. mr. obama and vice president biden are determined to convince the american people their vision is correct. so mr. biden took his crusade to the good elementary school in york, pennsylvania where he talked to a fourth grade class on tuesday. >> you have had a lot of teachers who used to work here, but because there is no money for them in the city, they're not working and so what happens is when that occurs, each of the teachers in the state have more kids to teach. they don't get to spend as much time with you as you did when your classes were smaller. we think the federal government, washington, d.c. should say to the cities, lock, we're going to give you some money. you can hire back all these teachers. the way we're going to do it is we're going to ask people who have a lot of money to pay just a little bit more in taxes. >> bill: kids look thrilled. joining us now from los angeles to react, dr. carolyn hellman, and fox news analyst lesley marshall. lesley, i'm not quite getting why you want to bring your message to fourth graders who look like they want to be anywhere else. do you? >> actually i can't disagree with you on that. when i was in fourth grade, no joke, we had a democrat and republican congressional member, i won't say who, that will give away my age that, came to class. i remember them coming, what did they say? not quite sure. i think it's every politician's civic duty to go into the classrooms. i think it's great for kids to learn go government, but to pitch a jobs bill when they're not voting, i can't disagree with you on that. the kids kind of looked like, what? i definitely do -- he obviously didn't know his -- >> bill: here is the deal, biden did it because he knew he was going to get press coverage and he knew programs like mine would pick it up and that he'd get his message across, which he did, we used the sound bite, at the expense of the children looking like who is this guy and why is he torturing me, doctor? so from a political communication standpoint, it was a shrewd play, but i think it's a little exploitive and some people might be teed off. >> i think you're giving the administration too much credit. in my book, this is the second big gaffe biden made on the trail to sell this jobs bill. i think it's a real problem for the administration. and i would agree with you, it's somewhat exploitive. they were bored, but then we're all bored when politicians speak. they can't be honest, they can't be straight shooters, unfortunately, unless you're an elizabeth warren or chris christie. but in this particular case, the fact that the vice president is overshadowing the president and they're both selling the jobs plan indicates to me that maybe he's just a gaffe machine that the administration is -- >> bill: it wasn't a gaffe. they knew he was going o do it. this is designed by the white house communication staff. it's thought out very well. it's not like he made a mistake. the other day he said, lesley, that, look, more women might get raped. more people might get robbed because police aren't going to be on the streets in the numbers they would be if you ok'd this jobs bill so they could infuse local police departments and hire more people. okay. a lot of people got mad and said, oh, he's creating fear, this and that. to me, it was a point he wanted to make. let the point stand. you either agree or disagree. but this is more. this is taking a bunch of kids and using those kids for political purposes. i don't think that's good. i really don't think it's good for any political party to do that. >> i would agree with you in the sense that children should not be exploited for any one's gain in professions, politics or otherwise, left or right. but i honestly, when we say that, like you said, vice president biden said some things shocking, we're not -- we're not so shocked when it comes out of the mouth of vice president biden. but i honestly don't think -- i hear what you're saying, that it was calculated, absolutely. but i do think he was trying to tell the kids what kids need to know, which is hi, i'm the vice president. this is what we're doing in washington and this is why -- >> bill: but they're not doing it because the opposing party isn't going to okay it. so what they're really doing is telling the kids, look, we're the good guys and the other party is the bad guys and you're only nine years old and you should listen to me. it's not the way it should go down, doctor. you know it. it's not the way it should go down. >> i agree with you on that. but then again -- >> bill: consider this -- >> you know regardless of what he says and regardless of the polls showing the majority of americans in favor of this jobs bill, the republicans showed in the senate they wouldn't vote on it. >> bill: they voted on it and it got knocked down. this is a message, dr. meldman that i want to send to the vice president, if he would like to convince the nation,ford graders included, they're americans, too, that the jobs bill is worthy, i got a seat for him right here. right there. okay? you convince him. i got ten minutes for you. come right on in. but you know what? he won't. he won't come in because he knows he can't stand up to big boy questioning. he knows he can't. >> i think that he could -- >> bill: whoa! whoa! i have invited this guy for years in here and he will not. >> i really think he should come on. i don't think fourth graders are his audience and if i were on his advance team or his management team, i would be concerned every time this man goes out to give a public talk. i doubt that they thought he was going to be sing songing. >> bill: come on. now. it's got to be something with the water because cheney wouldn't come on either! what is it with these vice presidents? what is it? >> they want to live a quiet life. >> the vice presidents stay -- you never see the vice president and then a year before an election, it's like, oh, yeah. that's what he looks like. >> bill: i'm going to have to get on the amtrak and sit behind biden. maybe if i wore short pants. >> or maybe if you told him you were eight or nine. >> bill: that's the way i act. so he shouldn't have any problem. directly ahead, geraldo on the end of the iraq war and the end of gadhafi. and then waters world goes to a strange place. beyond your imagination. you don't want to miss this one, moments away. 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