0 on the factor a number of times. you may have seen him. is he an ardent liberal guy. that's fine. all points of view are to be heard on this program. but yesterday on cnn, dr. hill said something very controversial about mass killer christopher dorner. >> and as far as dorner himself goes, he has been like a real life super hero to many people. now, don't get me wrong what he did was awful killing innocent people. >> that's true. >> it's bad. when he read the manifesto. he wasn't entirely crazy. he had a plan and mission here. many people aren't routing for him to kill innocent people they are rooting for somebody who is wrong. it's like watch django in change in real life kind of exciting. >> bill: put yourself in the family members who are grieving because of his murders. how do you think they are reacting because of that analysis? joining us is dr. lamont hill. to be fair to you because i have known you a long time that. condemnation of dorner and the people supporting him absolutely. but you didn't do that. you condemn dorner not the people supporting him which i condemn the both. that's why you put yourself in a position to be chastised. do you understand my point of view? >> i do understand your point of view. i wish in retrospect that i had explained further. i don't think though that the fundamental argument that i was making was wrong even though if the message itself gets lost. if we are having this conversation then we are not having the conversation that i actually want to have. >> bill: you can't have a conversation on speculation. >> it's not speculation, bill. >> bill: it absolutely is speculation. because the system ruled a judge and an investigative capacity for the l.a. police department that dorner did something wrong and he was fired. now the l.a.p.d. has reopened the investigation, fine. >> they have to. >> bill: but right now -- no they don't. they don't have to do anything. >> in the face of media scrutiny, bill they have to. >> bill: if the media wants to scrutinize i don't have a problem with that you come up with the fax first. don't speculate on things you don't have any facts on. >> every year they get thousands of complaints of brutality and corruption. >> bill: every police department gets that. >> i know. >> every major police department those claims get investigated by their internal affairs bureau. in other words, the police investigate the police and decide whether or not the police were wrong or right. in that context, you don't get justice. there is no outside force. let me finish. >> bill: macroanalysis of why police should be investigated nothing to do you know, with police. i don't have a beef with that. >> that's what this crisis allows for. it would be irresponsible of us to simply talk about dorner as the crazy mad man and not also also i'm saying this also people out there also talk about police corruption. >> bill: you can only do that when you have evidence that police corruption is in play and there is no evidence in this case. and the second mistake that you make and being a professor, this comes right into your academic background is that you give credibility to a killer. to a guy who is obviously not thinking clearly. he killed four human beings, innocent human beings. you don't give any credibility to him. anything he says. and everything he says is suspect because of what he did. do you understand that? >> that's why it's important to disintangle those two things. i'm not saying investigate the l.a.p.d. because christopher dorner initiates the conversation about the l.a.p.d. or police more broadly. there is already a decade or excuse me century long critique of the l.a.p.d. that we need to have. he puts the spotlight back on it i'm not legitimizing killing. >> bill: that conversation combings later then. >> no. you don't get to make that decision, bill. you don't get to decide. there are people who are -- >> bill: i get to decide here, doctor. >> you get to decide when we talk about police brutality, bill? >> bill: don't get yourself in even more trouble here. >> you are not right about this. >> bill: less than 24 hours after a police officer is murdered by this thug, you are out there with hypothesis. you have got to give it a little time. >> bill, it's not a ohio pot sis to say police corruption exists. >> bill: not in this case, it doesn't. you can't link it. >> i'm not saying that christopher dorner's manifesto is true or false. that's not my claim. >> bill: you were insensitive, doctor. >> i. >> bill: you were insensitive to victims' families, that's what you were. >> like i say if i was insensitive to the families i offer them my condolences but i'm still saying. >> bill: take the if out thereof and you have got it why appreciate you coming on the program. i don't want hill to suffer here because hill has been a stand-up guy over the years but i absolutely think you are wrong and insensitive and that's my opinion. next on the run down, lou dobbs on president obama's economic statements. dobbs says some of them are flat out false. later, megyn kelly has been looking into the senator menendez alleged corruption situation. he will update us on that and we're coming right back. 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