president was in on, but he also recognized and this person presumably has two eyes and two ears and presumably knew this was a big deal, and it was a big deal because this flew through congress, flew through both houses. it takes an act of god for many acts to do that. and this is time the white house should have been spiking the football. >> right. >> instead, the guidance that came not from the state department but from the white house was essentially, keep this low-key. there's nothing to see here. and i think, chris, we have to think about this in broad strokes as part of that cover-up.k this is not just press guidance, a routine matter. this is the white house directing the state department to keep an even keel here no because they know this was anything but normal and they want to keep this under wraps. >> and lara, to ned's point, it's not just mid level state department. the picture that's emerged from your reporting among others is almost everyone, capitol hill staffers, members of congress of both parties, senators, everyone is going on what the heck is