kind of polarization and political valence of the problem or the question depending on how it's phrased. republicans would love to talk your ear off about crime, crime is going up, crime is a problem. if you say gun violence, it's like, well, but that's the most severe form of crime. the thing that we should be most worried about is when people take up arms against each other, when they maim or kill each other, and the main way they do that is with guns. and yet, for some reason, if you phrase it that way, that's not really a political problem. like shoplifting in san francisco, that's a political problem. but people shooting each other is not. >> yeah, listen, there's something fundamentally different about violence done with a gun in that it often is the last violence that is ever done to you. your life ends. and there's the story i tell in the book about the moment when american violence rates depart from the rest of the world,