with some other things that are more popular amongst swing voters. but the triggers major voter, trying to ban books, not a winner. not a way for them to be dictating their kids curriculum. >> i think there's two things here. one, there is a reason the curriculum fights and banned book fights are perennial fights in politics. because they are actually sites of real conflict. between different people with different politics. different conceptions of the good. different visions of what they want their kids to learn. in a public system. where we have to adjudicate. that when you said the 1990s donna, i was remembering. i was a kid a new york city there was the heather has two mommies controversy. kids were getting children's books about a lesbian couple. this was enormous moral panic at the time. for some of the same reasons. >> it turns out that we have to