either incident. but even if everyone is safe, this type of targeting results in a certainty of intense disruption to the lives of not only the individuals involved, but their entire families. and that's the point, that's the point. the maga movement has used threats of violence in the possibility of danger as a key tool of anti-democratic coercion. dolores kordell served as a judge for 19, years including 13 on the severe court of california. she joins us now. judge kordell, first, your reaction to these news stories which came one after another after each of these figures receive this kind of intimidation. >> chris, first of all, swatting is the act of a coward. it is a federal crime, punishable five years to life. and it's a crime in some of the states. last, year chief justice roberts gave his year and address, his report, and in it he address the fear that judges face today. and one of the things he said is a judicial system cannot and should not live in fear. and he's right, of course,