conspiracy, forgery and fraud. they are 2 of 18 people who have been criminally indicted in that state for their roles in the fake elector scheme. now a political party with its head on straight might, you know, off-ramp here, right, recognize the reality of their situation, that the big lie that resulted in criminal charges across a number of jurisdictions, five states and counting, that this is a big loser. the rnc is doubling down. to help craft its 2024 party platform, the rnc recently hired ed martin, former chair of the missouri republican party and a staunch advocate of trump's actions to overturn the 2020 election and retain power after he lost in 2020. charlie sykes, vaughn, andrew and the rev are here. the platform used to be a real thing with real debates about