been through two times that we don't have a situation where one of the states can't be defend on. >> and it almost happened in 2016 when two florida counties had their electoral infrastructure breached by russian military intelligence. so this is the real concern. there are over 10,000 electoral jurisdictions across the country. some of them don't even have dedicated i.t. staff. so you have all these vulnerabilities from antiquated voting machines to the software clinton was talking about, the voter registration databases online that are antiquated and absence of paper ballots meant to audit and electronic tallies. all it takes is one county to be breached. >> there is always somebody out there to make a buck, clinton. somebody could imagine this as a tv fictional but frightening account of what could happen in an election. are there bad guys out there that have the capability to hold the state's database ransom saying in other words, you want an honest election, you're going to have to pay for one. >> that's the case.