his son. and we have the fact, also, that when he did so, there was an aid -- there was a hold on military systems aid that was placed directly by the president to -- to prevent the ukrainians from having that aid to fend off russian aggression. so i think right now, they're just working backwards and trying to fill in the entire picture of this conspiracy that surrounded the president that perhaps we don't know for sure yet but we have a good idea of the fact that the president was directing his attorney, rudy giuliani, to work directly with the ukrainians, to work with diplomats in the united states, in order to pressure ukraine to launch these politically-motivated investigations. nancy pelosi has already said that the call itself is the smoking gun here. it's something that we didn't have in the mueller investigation. the president directly asking for help from a foreign government to interfere in the 2020 election. what they want to do now is they want to have as rock solid a case as they can. and in doing so, they have heard from about, you know, over a dozen witnesses at this point from state, white house, and