he did it. >> but -- and i want to be careful with how i word this, given how bill barr has served this country or the president, since he's been in his position, could one make a leap and say, he sort of acts as though he's on the president's legal team. >> well, he definitely does, and it's actually before he became attorney general, he wrote an audition memo. let's not forget that. he wrote a memo saying the president cannot be investigated, cannot be convicted, cannot be indicted. it's all over. >> and i'm just saying, don't you think that really sort of works for the president? >> it definitely works for the president. and i guess if you consider him as part of the legal team, he's been effective. it's wrong and of course, new york state has said that he should not only recuse himself, he should be out of -- >> the new york city -- >> new york city. >> and i think that's an important thing to keep in mind, is that people are seeing the wrongdoing by him right now. and you know, everybody is praising durham for this