and jon meacham, this just belittles them because they feel an option for removing all of gave talks. belittle. there are a lot of evangelicals nobody would admit that they proves again that the trump the troops there from were voting for donald trump. presidency is a presidency who find that quite troubling. and at one point i just started afghanistan within weeks. that's been defined by >> when you reduce your so this is sort of a religious faith, when you reduce combination, you know, either saying you're all lying because the political calendar and you're all voting for him, stop politics down to one issue, president trump long wanting to lying and they'd laugh and go, do this, and the pressure's incompetence, illiberalism, and abortion, then you give donald yeah, we are. there. and then they're looking at i will literacy. well, now as donald trump exits he is illiterate had it comes to syria. and seeing this is somewhere that the president is clearly trump a blank check to be as stage left, i suspect that we civics. he's illiterate when it comes to willing to do. will see the same thing that heinous as he chooses to be in whereas he's been talked out of people will be reluctant to american history. it in the past, now he's not his personal life, in his admit publicly that they can't and, yes, he proved against been talked out of it. put up with him anymore. political life, and every phase yesterday he's illiterate when of his life. i had the funniest conversation it comes to the united states and, of course, that is too high and he's showning a willingness with a guy in florida about a of a price for so many people to month ago and he knew i was on constitution. populism is one thing. pay and for good reason. to go ahead with the thought it is a trend that has been since he came into office. tv but didn't watch the show >> carol lee, thank you very that much because he always got growing in eastern and central jon meacham, tim carney had a much. we'll be reading your report at up early golfing the at the goes europe, i would actually argue weren't you a republican fascinating book released this year that really echos what nbcnews.com. joining us the second congressman? i go, yeah, yeah, i was and had this morning that actually it's ranking member of the senate, we've seen in polling about, no idea that time a conservative reached its high point already and is receding. quote, evangelicals. minority w.h.i.p. dick durbin of but i had problems with donald you can see that in local trump. for many evangelical is just a he goes, what are we going to do elections, in hungary local illinois. senator, i guess, the first question for you would be, as label. we're watching these steps being elections, in poland local it's just an identifier if the with that guy? elections across europe. taken, moving towards i can't stand the democrats. does not describe their actual i can't stand hillary. it's receding. impeachment, do these moves on i can't stand elizabeth warren. that said, he has taken the idea faith in jesus christ because, i can't vote for any of those the world stage, on the part of of populism to the most extreme the president, and really the people but, man, he's out of as tim carney points out and republican outcry against them, corn patrol. form in the world to where it borders now on complete and also as polls point out, the