the panel, what's going to -- is anybody talking about funding the government? this idea of a shutdown and perhaps the white house using government funding in the impeachment certainly seems like a threat that somebody may use. >> yeah. those talks are ongoing. the house speaker says she is working behind the scenes on that issue. on passing usmca, nafta 2.0. there is this overall thought, though, that if president trump wanted to, he could force what would be a, what, fourth government shutdown on his watch to prove a political point. and to basically, you know, wind down the gears of government, chuck. >> and he may look at it and say he never paid a price for any of the other government shutdowns personally and if that's it. it's going to be a fascinating couple weeks. jeff bennett, thank you. joining me at the table, bloom berg national political reporter, msnbc contributor. and the senior vice president of