special interest in a lot of these cases. we know that there is a lot of publicly lobbying for potential pardons through some of the president's favorite television shows. that seems to be part of the strategy here. and ultimately, it wasn't on the pardon side of things. but ultimately, edward gallagher did not -- was not -- was acquitted. and the president intervened to ensure that he retired as a s.e.a.l. geoff. >> yeah. let's look at some of these quotes from "the new york times" story. these are gallagher's former colleagues. these are s.e.a.l.s. who say this about him. this guy is freaking evil. that's special operator craig miller who said that. this guy was toxic. that's from special operator joshua. and then another quote. he was perfectly okay with killing anybody that was moving. anne, you covered the pentagon before you covered the white house. the fact that this is coming from s.e.a.l.s. themselves, given the -- the culture of silence within that community. i mean, this is significant stuff. >> absolutely. i mean, the -- the -- you can tell that the navy prosecutors thought they had a very, very