taylor as -- i'm forgetting the exact words -- you probably have them in front of you, but basically a -- >> i'm being told in my ear, pitiful, insubordinate -- what? with no trustworthy information. >> yeah, exactly. and that's what i'm sure president trump and some of the people around him actually think, but they were trying very carefully not to go there yesterday. john dowd gave voice to what they were thinking. this is somebody who's part of the deep state in their view, somebody who's part of the conspiracy to take down the president, who doesn't actually have any firsthand knowledge. it's hard to make that case in public. they tried instead to focus on the issue of the secondhand quality of his testimony, and it was my colleague, sheryl stoleberg, you showed asking speaker pelosi about s it. she mayr want to brush off tha question, butnt it's a legitima question. if ambassador taylor didn't heaa the president say these things, then does it factor into how much weight to give his testimony? it would obviously be moree useful to the democrats to hear itth from somebody like john bolton orm mick mulvaney, who