i think joe biden has been just -- his mindset is trapped in amber from the '90s where you could go back and play squash somewhere or racquetball and work these kinds of issues out. we're not there anymore. and i don't know -- for everybody on the panel who travels around the country, claire in the midwest, north, wherever we go, i've not met one regular voter anywhere who says i think we need more bipartisanship in washington. no one ever says that. no one outside of d.c. says they want more bipartisanship. what people say is they want things to get done. >> democrats have a lot to get done by the end of the year, in fact. first there's the most massive social spending bill since roosevelt. then there's the looming government shutdown deadline, the debt ceiling and a must-pass military defense funding. joining us now to talk about all of it, robert gibbs, former obama campaign senior adviser, white house press secretary of course under president obama. he also was co-host of the "hacks on tap" podcast. and tim miller, whose clothing choice may give away which of