some people drill hard and try to engage the base. then you have other people to talk about i can win the maga voters, i can convert the conservative voters. i always want to scream, you're running as a democrat, talk to me how you can win me. i'm curious what your strategy is. are you aiming to convert conservative voters, do you want to give the politically homeless a place to live in your campaign? or is your strategy more focused on engaging the base and giving them something to vote for instead of something to vote against? >> the fact is people have been left behind and i'm glad you made the last point because too often we talk about our how bad our opponents are. the campaign, the conversations we're having, they're our plans, our vision for a greater wisconsin, for a better united states of america. so we're definitely going to engage the base because for too long the base has been forsaken in some quest to get these donald trump voters. and quite honestly, many of them aren't coming back. so it's important for us to get in touch with the disaffected people who would typically vote