get the details. but it does feel like one of those things where we could have, as rioters, drawing the blank. >> i think that the thing we couldn't have known is that we would get to see all of this material. >> right. >> so it's one thing to know that mark meadows is texting with the rally organizers. and the rally organizer says to him, we need direction from you. it's getting out of hand. thus confirming that the people organizing the rally, which turned into violence, we're taking their direction from the white house. and we all thought that the white house was directing all of this, but seeing it in black and white, seeing the members of the media saying that trump had nothing to do with this on the day of saying that trump needs to stop this. because they absolutely knew that he was responsible in the moment. i just never thought we would see this stuff. and now here it is. >> i think that by now, we do have the behavioural guarantee that stupid people will put everything in writing.