>> this is a thugocracy, tim. that's what this is. this is the kind of thing you'd think you'd see in a third world country. this is warlordism. that's what the republican party is up to now and that's what donald trump unleashed on this party and on this country. your thoughts. >> yeah, it's not a one-off, joy. you've covered this before but the "salt lake tribune" wrote a couple days ago about something called the utah voter verification process where people are going door to door in utah, a state that trump won, by the way, to try to identify fraud in order to prove that there is likely fraud in other states, i guess, is their four-dimensional chess thinking in this. that's intimidating. it's not the same as ms. freeman went to but someone's coming to your door demanding to see documents to prove that you are who you say you are and then match them against the voter rolls. that is a thugocracy, as you said. that is intimidating. and i think the downstream effect of this is it's not just -- and obviously we should be concerned about the largely