he will be there in the front row apparently, and he will be heavily watched. and he will be watching the three judges of the d.c. circuit as they hear the arguments on both sides of this contentious issue. >> and so, i mean -- does trump stand a chance in hell of his presidential immunity argument, actually winning over the d.c. court of appeals? >> there is a really important point. it doesn't have to prevail on these arguments to get a tactical victory here. the fact that the supreme court rejected jack smith's request to take this up without first going to the appellate court means that donald trump has gotten some time on the clock. they have to go to the d.c. circuit. they have got to hear these cases. tanya chutkan, the judge below, did not really go into details about whether or not the conduct that has been complained over part of trump's official actions as president. she really just said that there was no presidential immunity in