city after russian sort of strike groups in syrian clothing, many of them, have penetrated the city's defenses and have engaged in these fire fights. so what we have seen is literally thousands of civilians who have been issued arms and a sort of operated as a militia organized by the career military of the -- of ukraine, going around, manning checkpoints, checking cars, and being really on the lookout for the russian saboteurs and the russian spies. people are very suspicious. people are on edge. and you know, they do have the guns at the ready. >> i want to focus on that, the russian saboteurs, the russian spies. there's a worry in the ukrainian government that anybody out that should not be out is not a ukrainian but a russian? >> yeah. correct. because they have caught, you know, there have been a large number of russian infiltrators who came out in the open in the last couple of days. often in civilian dress and there was a car that tried to