i don't think it was a high price, i think he made a rational decision because he is so ahead in the polls that he didn't really need to show up at that debate but if other candidates start getting more attention, if other candidates start consolidating some of that long trump supporting peoples i think that you will see him rethink the strategy. remember, donald trump is at his weakest when he's not in the news. by not showing up at the debate he is turning the spotlight over to other people. i don't know how long he can continue doing that. >> we have got to go but i do want to ask you, california governor gavin newsom plans a debate. florida governor ron desantis, and people familiar with the matter tells nbc news that newsom is being viewed as a nuisance to president biden. do you think you need to keep a lower profile? he is saying he's an effective surrogate here. >> not at all. number one, i don't believe those reports that newsom is a nuisance to president biden. if anything, i think that you will see when the contrast for gavin newsom and ron desantis,