0 and then you have minimum wage. >> minimum wage. >> right. the new minimum wage where some states have increased the minimum wage. but still, with so many people out of work, and those who are in work still struggling, barely to make ends meet. those two issues will dovetail nicely into a larger discussion about income inequality, which is something that, you know, lots of americans care about and want to see something done. >> you know, josh, the -- in terms of the minimum wage, there is actually reports of a real strategy on the democratic side, both at the federal level to try to push legislation and then at the local level to do ballot initiatives. all going into 2014, all with the hope of increasing turnout. but also using the issue, you know, to really drive this contrast between the republicans and democrats. do you think that's a good bet for them? >> i think it's a good strategy. and i think it's -- the democrats want two things here. they want it as a political issue and then they want actual victories on raising the minimum wage. and i think they'll get the issue at the federal level and i think they'll have some actual policy victories at the state and local level. but i think when you talk about, you know, voters getting energized about income inequality, i think really what that is for the electorate is they're energized about the fact they're not seeing economic progress, even if we're coming out of a recovery. and i think the minimum wage and unemployment insurance, while there are issues where the democratic position is popular, there are also issues where a lot of middle class voters are not directly personally impacted. some are. but i think a lot of people view, for example, the minimum wage is an issue for the poor and not middle class. so i think the president would be politically wise to ware this with other initiatives that would have impacts up into the middle of the economic spectrum, a broader agenda at increased income equality. >> i'm going to push back. a lot of people know someone who would be very much impacted by an increase in the minimum wage. and for a lot of families, they are barely hanging on to being in the middle class, because maybe one person has got a minimum wage job, maybe the oh other person is working and has full salary job. so i would suggest -- i think it actually will have some resonance with people. jonathan, i'm going to let you quickly get the last word. >> the last wore is that there are a lot of people -- the economy imploded in 2008 and a lot of people who were in the middle class were shunted one class lower, probably into minimum wage jobs. and so this is something that i think will have much broader appeal. >> let's hope so. josh barrow and john capehart, thank you. >> thank you. come up, the benghazi conspiracy undermined. i guess we can all be thankful you were not president at the time, mr. senator. >> i think that ultimately, with your leaving, you accept the culpability for the worst tragedy since 9/11. and i really mean that. had i been president at the time and i found that you did not read the cables from benghazi, you did not read the cables from besser stevens, i would have relieved you of your post. ♪ [ julie ] i've got to credit my mom. to help me become an olympian, she was pretty much okay with me turning her home into an ice rink. ♪ she'd just reach for the bounty select-a-size. it's the smaller, powerful sheet that acts like a big sheet. look, one select-a-size sheet of bounty is 50% more absorbent than a full size sheet of the leading ordinary brand. use less, with the small but powerful picker-upper, bounty select-a-size.