a bail hearing at the jail. as we await the details of the shooting, there is one thing we already know. the number of people injured and killed would have been higher if not for one brave student. nbc's miguel almaguer is at seattle pacific university to explain. >> it's the building behind me where police say the suspect, 26-year-old aaron ibata walked inside and opened fire on college students who were studying for college exams. >> four people were injured, at least two of them shot critically. the other remains in critical condition as the gunman was reloading. a student tackled the gunman, sprayed pepper spray at him and held him down while other students assisted until police could arrive on scene. police say the actions of those students certainly saved lives. we know that one person has been released from the hospital today. we have no motive. police are still continuing in the early stages of their investigation. we expect some vigils to be held here on campus later on this afternoon remembering a student killed here yesterday. back to you. >> thanks. nbc's miguel almaguer in seattle. it is hard to hear the words school shooting and not think of columbine, virginia tech, sandy hook. the list goes on and on. it is hard not to think of the words of nra executive vice president and ceo wayne lapierre in the days after the shocking massacre at sandy hook in new town, connecticut. >> the only way, the only way to stop a monster from killing our kids is to be personally involved and vested in a plan of absolute protection. the only thing that stops a bad guy with a gun is a good guy with a gun. >> okay. so here is the thing. despite what wayne lapierre might tell you, that actually isn't true. because in the case of seattle pacific university, the good guy who stopped a mass shooter from killing more people, was a good guy armed only with bravery and a can of pepper spray. he prevented the gunman from reloading. former secret service agent evi pompouras is here. when he says, the only thing that stops a bad guy with a gun is a good guy with a gun, when he doesn't put that good dui is in law enforcement, he is empowering ordinary people to empower and do what you used to do in law enforcement. is it true that any civilian armed with a gun can take down people who are armed with a gun? >> you are the only person that has asked me that. that is a tremendous question. this is why. i am trained as other law en enforcement individuals are trained, to use a gun. there is so much more involved. you can learn physically how to shoot, how to line up your sights, how to take the targets out. you do not include the stress factor, the pressure, the moving target and all these things that come together. it is not about just learning to shoot but how to have the mental and emotional ability to shoot. in law enforcement, they put pressure, stress you out when you are at the range and when you are shooting. why do though do that? to see how you will react and if you are a trigger-happy person. law enforcement does not want any cowboys. what happens with a lot of one-on-one shootings, one person has the guns, somebody busts into them, shoves them. they say, hey, i'm going to trump this, you disrespected me and they pull out their gun. >> the targets that people shoot at the gun range and they think they are turning themselves into rambo. they don't shoot back. shooting under fire, the huge "x" factor is that the shooter is shooting back. >> when something happens, your fine motor skills go out the window. it is going to be muscle, memory and training and your emotional stability. >> when we go back and look at the gabby giffords situation, i find analogous to when this young man pepper sprayed the man. in the situation where gabby gif giffords was shot, here is what happened, a guy named joe zamudio, in a nearby drugstore, he was armed. he ran to the scene. he saw a man holding the scene and he said, and that's who i first thought was the shooter. i told him to drop it, drop it. but the man with the gun wasn't the shooter. he had wret ld it away from the shooter. if that man had a little less moment of foresight, he might have shot the hero and took the gun away, without a gun themselves who wrestled the gun away. >> that's another great point. in law enforcement, we are trained to understand, who is the good guy and who is the bad guy. >> there are certain colors, things we have to do to make sure you are not shooting a good cop, an undercover cop. what happenings is when you go on a scene and you don't have the right mind-set, you could shoot the good guy. the other thing this case calls to mind, the reason it is so alarming, to see people walking around in public armed, is because these kinds of mass shooting incidents have put everyone on edge. this was a small little christian college. i'm sure this is the last thing they expected to happen. you could be alarmed by just seeing a person walking around in public with a gun and someone else who is armed could put that person in danger. is that a risk we are taking with more people sort of making firearms sort of a display. >> duncan black wrote, open carry shouldn't be a way to show off. people are going to suspect you are a bad guy with a gun. could that happen? >> it could happen. a lot of it depends on what part of the country you are from. certain states are very open with weapons and have the ability where you can walk around with the weapon basically being shown. >> you have other states like new york where your weapon should be concealed. it does play a role on what part of the country you are at. mental and emotionally, when you carry a gun, it gives you a sense of bravado, like, i got this, whatever is coming my way. do you want mentally and emotionally stable people to carry weapons. that's what happens with a lot of these young men which we are seeing getting access to weapons. it is this trigger happy emotional, i'm going to show you, almost a power thing. in law enforcement, one of the criteria, when you go through the assessment process, is, they check your psychological temperament. are you the jid who is hot-headed? >> let's take a moment for this young man in seattle. did he do the right thing? >> when i was growing up, they always told you, if somebody seems threatening, your supposed to hide, back off? did he do the right thing by actually confronting this person with this can of pepper spray that turns out fob the most effective thing that i have seen a civilian do against a shooter? >> yes, he absolutely did the right thing. first and foremost, had he not done that, we would have been looking at a much larger body count on department homeland security website. they actually put a list that you can visit. it tells you what to do. move away from the sounds of the shot. lock down, hide. turn off your cell phones. the other thing they say is, if you are able to evacuate, do so. however, if you are in a situation like they were where you are confronted by the shooter and it is imminent death, meaning he is about to take you out, then you make that just call and you front that shooter. if it is between dying and just standing there and being a deer in head lights and a victim, you you should fight. that's what he did. he did the right thing. >> it is a courageous thing and we are sad we are at this place where it is going to be happening more and more. it is good that he reacted that way. i think it is also sad he with have so many active shooter scenarios it is becoming common place. every week, there is a new story. >> it is really scary. you have to have situational awareness and good common sense. evi pomporous, thank you for talking about us. remember all these dire republican warnings about the affordable care act. >> repeal obamacare, why? 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>> that was john boehner talking to brian williams shortly after taking the speaker's gavel from nancy pelosi in 2011 and absolutely convinced that obamacare was going to kill jobs. it turns out, not so much. today, we learned that 217,000 jobs were created in may, a few,000 above the average for the entire year. symbolically, this report puts us over the high watermark for jobs setback in january, 2008. speaking of obamacare, the latest survey says the number of uninsured has fallen 22%. since the affordable care act took effect. i am sure that is a consistent, on going coincidence. christian dorsey is the economic affairs instructor at the political institutes. is it a coincident that jobs, rather than receding are increasing? >> absolutely. we could have predicted that the patient protection and affordable care act would, indeed, reduce the number of uninsured people in america. that's what it was designed to do. we haven't seen it has had an adverse effect on employment. anybody that looked at the models we all knew that this was going to reduce the number of uninsured and slow the cost, the growth and cost of health care, which it has done quite well. >> just to clarify now, you are saying it is predictable that the affordable care act would be good for the job market or bad for the job market. >> it was predicted it would have an adverse effect. all of the claims we were going to see result in a number of employers shedding jobs was never a reality by people that looked at these numbers objectively. those were republican talking points. we are seeing an economy that is progressing nicely. there is still a long way to go to get back to an economy that has anything resembling market health. >> one of the specific ways we can pinpoint the impact is the specific health care sector. if you look at the demand. dan diamond writes in forbes, if you look at obamacare's effect, while the law may be creating new pressures on providers, it is creating new employers. as people need to understand and implement the law, you are seeing it create jobs specifically in health care. >> that's right. that is one of the strong areas of growth in this month's employment report. a little higher than in past months. we can't expect it will continue. the whole whole idea the affordable care act was somehow going to be detrimental to economic growth and employment prospects was never real. that was just something part of the political bantering. as we have seen with implementation of the affordable care act and data that has come out month to month, we see it is completely dispari completely disparite from employment prospects. >> we are seeing that unemployment has continued to decline. for white americans, it is quite low. this looks like a multi-year low at 5.4%. for latinos, 7.7%. for asians, 5.3%. the number for african-americans is horrible, first of all but the lowest since september of 2008. is this where we sought to be this far from a recession like we had in 2008? >> well, no. if we look at where we were, it took two years to lose the number of jobs we did as a result of the recession. it has taken four years to get back to the peak of 2008. that's not something we should celebrate. when we are on a road trip and we get halfway there, you may breath a sigh of relief but you are not going to pop the cork on the champagne. african-american unemployment, the ratio compared to white is almost twice as high. if we are going to look at a labor market that is going to serve all americans, we need to see that ratio be reduced and the rate of african unemployment drop farther than it has. >> what could we have done differently had the congress been willing to work with the administration? what could we have done to make this unemployment number even better? >> that's the sad part, joy. there is easy stuff we could have done, no-brainer stuff. investing in all manner of infrastructure needs, expanding broadband, investing in transit cars, improving our roads and bridges, making our buildings more energy efficient. if we had done any of those things, which many folks had been calling for for quite a long time, we would see not only improvement in the employment prospects for people that build things but lawyers and accountants throughout the economy. this would have the added benefit of not just lowering the unemployment rate and providing job opportunities but seeing wages grow throughout the entire economy and creating things that have lasting value. things that lead to economic growth and productivity. that congress hasn't done it has been a political malpractice. it is quite the disappointment. >> what could have been, what could have been. even still with all of the obstruction, we are in a pretty decent place? 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