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a program that is short as ours. um, i ll start out 1st. i think that, you know, the biggest thing that is, that i become aware of is just how anti russia the west is, because this is very little, have very little to do about ukraine. you have my, michael mcfall, you have timothy timothy schneider. you know, they let them ask drop, you know, this is about the break up of russia regime change the usual playbook that we ve seen over the last 30 years. and they re not even hiding it anymore. and that s going to have a very big impact on how this conflict is eventually resolved your thoughts. so that s a very interesting take. and it has been stunning. the hostility, the outright hostility in much of the western wo i to ward russia. ok, because, you know, we would always known about this a latent hostility. i mean, we known about the ceiling for the time of the 19th century. it runs on, but it ll be soon by the coal that, well, the only issue is communism is, are when, you know, we, we, we, you know, we love the russian people absolutely. door, russian culture, awesome music, russian literature from painting. love it all. we just hate the communists and you know, the terrible things of the communist, another subjugated eastern europe and so on. and so on. the all that as a drop to way and you know, it becomes very hard to understand. what is it that you have so much about russia? other than that, you somehow see them as the other, as a, somehow this, it s a, it s a culture and it s a civilization alien to you. and it is quite remarkable, the extent to which the racism is a sanction. as long as you know, you ll be doing this about russia as long as it s russia, that is to become them, is to feel absolutely alien. i mean, whenever you pick up, any media outlets or something about russian spies, russian interference and it could continue, continue generation or facility toward everything russian. yeah it s, it s almost kind of like a few p on the end of the history, these ones for when the russians are taken out, then you know, things the world will be a, a better, brighter place. it s a, it s like the grand solution. give me your russian, we re talking about your country here. i mean, what, what is it? what s your major take away because, you know, that was mine also. i think about media. how that is a very controlled message like we ve never seen before. we ll talk about that. your thoughts, my friend. i agree with george. you all russia. other is very important . i would. what would they constituent, you know, the other who helps you. in this case the west construct your role? basically, ideal identity. you know, that lets you, i guess i m, it is very simple. he is back. i am not healed. that means i m right. and the fact the russians look like the west, they like to say it s no rush and repeats. they look away to be it s, it makes it even wall level because i m different. lot in the color of my skin, the color of my care. i m different because of my family. you know, this is what they re doing and the stony nash this laugh to repeat. they say, oak rogers look like you, but don t get to see and ask us. we will tell you how these people are different. so of course, this is rachel man, one of their most interesting elements, all the strategy that has been our food in for the whole year, how the western out to liberalism and that you know, kind of shift in these elements. if you would be a mesh the, you know, vitamin and power of the west is trying to pull this ultra americanism service, you know, using the hatred of ukraine towards russia using the pedro or o to commercials towards russia. but let me quote, one of your recent talks with george. i love the thought of gorge, great bolus remain great bolus resize to because there was enough not to fight other grade because of that, that s less than your glow. and that s, that undermines, you might, you know, you can book in about the outcome of all of this. ok, it is not clear how the people are these clear the, the west to get out of this week. and, you know, the united states will be weaker than it was before the me know, you re, you re at the, me, you re absolutely right. but george, that s not what the narrative will be. i mean, i think you and i have talked about this before. if the conflict were to be settled right now with the facts on the ground right now to make sure they didn t make it to the english channel, we were, i mean that, that is that, that is a reflection of just how, how propagandized this entire endeavor has been there is absolutely no descent. i mean, you can really think cancel culture will come after you with a vengeance. george? yes. and that s what i was thinking about. the program is just how spread the nato propaganda system is. have you ever, ever since 2008, every single nato meeting has come? you come to the conclusion that ukraine will be a member of nato. every single one of your grade will be a member of nato. and then what does a friend sergeant schultz say a last year, just because of the russia, so special military operations? nobody seriously talking about new grade being a member of it. you said it, you said it every single year. you agree with george? and on top of that, after the 2014, my don qu, what did nato do? started turning ukraine into a garrison state with one purpose is to attack and quote, unquote liberate the don bass, which would weaken russia. ok, so you know, has nothing to do with it. exactly. and we have a meeting again, which is still going on with them unit security conference. and there is a stolen but once again, as he has on many occasions, we have been in ukraine, says 2014 helping, arming training ukrainians. well then how can you go on say, on provoked attack, that s what you ve been doing. you will be arming and ukrainians. walk the walk for essentially mount in offensive and ending the war in the don t bass. if the one thing that this is not, is a vote and they keep saying this, and it s like, again, you know, russia, russia is unjustly. but they do have said themselves, you know, you know, with on a former chance of germany or shrinking all the people who are in minutes and 20142015. they said we never took when seriously, basically there was, we were just buying time. you know, when we can mounted offensive and take a re take this on. but what was your line all easy? is you a line? and then you have a goal to say that this was unprovoked, this is an unjustified war. you know, came in glad to george brought up the munich security conference. it s an annual event. and 2007 vladimir putin basically put down russia s marker and has not moved away from it since. but isn t it interesting, george, they call it a security conference, but they don t talk about security because if they did, it would be indivisible. and that s again over the last 12 months, that the fact that the, the west is not to talk seriously about security also will have an impact on how this conflict is resolved. if they had changed track, it would impact the outcome in a different way. and i m absolutely for talking about security and peace. the west doesn t talk about either as matter fact, they re against both demon. well, it certainly propaganda on for a sec to get, you know, can you talk about security when you have zelinski addressing the start of the conference with classical music. but you know, the bad crowd, you know, showing propaganda even just and the comparing himself, david and then saying that we re all deb, it s here and you know, mr. stomach, you are there. you know, i m american was a, this is all stupid. you know, it s not serious the point about wanting to see that you kind of try to be subject to possible, you know, you take away emotions, but talking about security. but these are all about and all very shortly, you know, provoke emotions from, from the still. yes, so that s absolutely true. i mean with george, how can you quote the amount for both the gresh just look at the events that preceded the decision that would have been on the 24th of february or the 17th. we don t have to be evacuated, you know, because there are so that the barrage or bartman is so, you know, there you graham force us our mass and all the boy that these was a real army. i mean, look at what happened during these months. they re still holding on hold, you know, they re, they re still bombarding us. this was a powerful army which will, which will have destroyed the ground in the metro. ours, you know, russian. i mean, you don t be able to spell, but even the russian army will be just, you know, 2 or 3 hours after the struggle. we have to also point out here are reaffirm that this was a nato fortified ukrainian military. okay. with the adviser, with enormous amounts of munitions, obviously financing it intelligence. but george, they just not a cobra legend in the banking. pity. again, if these people in munich were serious, they would talk about security. and when you talk about security, then that s the resolution. maybe every single party involved would not be happy with the outcome ultimately, but they all could live together in that should be the aim george. yes, exactly. and this really is a wall that should never have happened. i mean, we have that year after year in which the russians and put in a low grow have continually warned that we have to resolve this problem, this minsky, after they apply pressure against your clients. and if you have to implement mence and our patience is not endless, i mean, they said this over and over again, and then goes in december when the future submitted, those draft security, treat it back on the basis negotiations, or was it only the basis to end the conflict, jordan, mark my words, we re going to go full circle and seen when it s all happen in between time. should them never happen? you re gen. want to have to jump in here. we have to go to a hard break. and after that hard break, we ll continue our discussion on some really stay with our tea. ah ah ah, to come to the russian state total narrative, i ve side as i phone in the no santini div asking him then i ll set up for a group in 55 when. okay, so mine is 2 bottles. anyone else with will ban in the european union? the kremlin? ca, yep. machine. the state on russia for date and r t spoke neck. even our video agency, roughly all band on youtube. with me. ah . ah. ah, welcome back across stock were all things are considered. peter bell, this is the home addition to remind you. we re discussing some real news. the let s go back to hearing was kind of a broadening a little bit here. one of the, one of the biggest changes we ve seen in the last 12 month is the complete capture of yours by the americans with the atlanta, according to see more harris, the destruction of the north stream pipelines. and then we ve also seen and very important that i don t think it has given an attraction and in western capital. and western media is the reaction of the global. so they re not on board for this western assault, collective western assault on russia. they re not on board, they re not interested in metaphor, just the opposite. rushes appealing to them out, reaching out to them. and trade is increasing. huge changes in trading patterns right now, and that s only going to continue even if the conflict were the end today. so the capture of europe and the reaction of the global. so demon, well just some figures. the export. so russian oil to india. jump full kind of the stem last year. experts basically from hearing everybody from 0. yeah. well now it s a substantial amal prussia. so the same story with china. so these complex has changed the economics so you have to look right. but i think that capture or i m sure you re by the states that you happen not so much economically as award. you basically just on the evil this contrast is former chairman, we re going issue and are, you know, the german diplomat. he said, and they need to go to guest speaker megs in the fall and we only need a quote to stop russian troops. i don t you now get unit and the main mistake that we made during the wind. yes. and that was us. we underestimated russia s burial ambitions. so basically, these man, i mean, he was responsible and was responsible. mark my watch wasn t the means to be much. he was responsible for the dialogue between kia and the rebel republics. he did a wonderful job, not a single meeting, not a single phone call to the police, and all this man has been trading the munich security conference. and now he s given the ice. and merkle is it on the re retreat, you know, she, she admitted that she actually was alliance in 1015. they didn t want a real piece. they wanted to get out of 5. was she is troops, software defeat, basically defeat. so the problem with europe is that it is losing economically, i mean, the russian brain i make and human sacrifices. europe is the big rules or you can normal. and this is not me saying that this is mona, towards the french at last. gave a very, you know, she got wrote and also said that there were 2 major surprises during the 1st, almost everyone expect the russian army to defeat the ukrainian army. quickly underestimate them are all american investment and the british investment in that ukraine and how much they they had already. we agree before 2003 to 2. and the 2nd surprise was the fact that you want me to sustain the ball. sanctions did not destroy russia mon stogie that it was the 2nd major surprise band and the big lose the euro because the price is jump. i mean, the european industry is becoming irrelevant because they pay so much for, for the production of their products. so basically, it s a huge increase. there is a huge increase in american negatives. i mean, look after the world war 2, the united states were ready to limit their ambitions to preserve western europe from started to preserve south korea from north korea from a devastating artillery strike. now the stage is basically that we don t care by our expensive gas stay with our russian gas, destroy your economy, you know, make a black hole out of russia. don t care. the same story with, with a far east, you know, fight chart. we don t care about japan was by china, south korea has been if you know, george, how do you explain that? i mean, it is ideological and again, you and i talk on a regular basis about a lead capture because i can t understand the logic, at least in a formal sense, is that it s all about ukraine sovereignty. when europe, over the last year is erased its own economic sovereignty almost completely, george. this is very interesting. it is a demon says, a complete, illogical capture because there was once a, not that long ago, a distinctively european outlook on international affairs, on a variety of issues. but in most particular, in relation to the soviet union, during the cold war, the europeans, different from the united states. yes. and one members of nato. but they said it doesn t make sense to us. and it s a national interest to pursue an aggressive policy toward the soviet union. we are going to germany said he doesn t know it. damages are relations with the east and france again, you know, we need to a specific european foreign policy. all that is done and it s a completely, it s just a quoting issue to think russian in payroll ambition, walking payroll ambition. i mean the george star was talking about the other. they also at the munich security conference, we must destroy the russian empire. was empire. what is it talking about? but now this is the, again, they get this from the united states. oh, russia has an empire. there is no russian empire. we know exactly the origins of this world. heard of this war was nato expansion, and particularly attempt to incorporate the ukraine into nature. and russia says that this is, you know, that this affect our security adverse that we have to address this issue. but it was in absolute nonsense. and then you think, where is the european on the west european getting to the state. this is our partner. we share a continent with them. it makes sense for us to have good trading economic relations with a continent. and as we speak right now, there s been a muted reaction by ger, the german government, to the destruction of the north stream pipelines which was very important for its economy. and you just have to look who benefits then, you know, who did it. and i strongly urge everyone to go to subs that can read size versus article, which apparently is just a taste or a lot more apparently is going to come in, you know, your missed your mr. ideology on cross stock. and we re always happy when you re here. but you know, yeah, i think you re absolutely right because going back to the global so it is kind of received in an ideological way and then rejecting it from the west. they re not interested in the west postmodernism. they re not interested in the values. as a matter of fact, if we look at the history of the cold war, a lot of former colonies of the west, they actually were attracted to russia because they saw rushes, an anti imperialist force. they weren t particularly interested in the soviet union s communism and then really didn t matter. now it actually is a hand in the glove. it is a concert rush is a conservative country. most of these countries these post colonial countries are very conservative as well. and it s a very, very good relationship, and they still see the west as a colonial attempting to be maintained. it s colonial mastery over the rest of the world. so i mean the, this is one of the biggest changes we ve had in the last few years that we used to talk about realignment. well, it s actually happening in real time daemon. oh, in russia part of the narrative, right now, if you listen to the people in the us, they say that maybe it s our disadvantage that were white or where you were appeals the west street south. but such that if we were black or. ready you will orient though, that makes things easier to step by. they can do it. but now if you write that, it s the other way around it because you re white, you shouldn t have to think of it, but you won t do it in that to them. ok here. i can only say, you know, to say this movie contest. you know, when i heard the lead to a and say, very room or style, think about russia. i remember how he s doing. he became independent in 1091 how he story became independent with our short wire. and i remember the sentiment in society. we were all very happy for that. i mean, yelton was the 1st foreign leader to recognize the independence, both the congress, the idea was let bygones be bygones will start to start and now we want to see our success. but of course, we didn t want to have the most any. and the, basically, when the nato saddle, russia grow, could reach the deal, you know, rush, it ain t no, you reach the deal. because when the soviet union collapsed, the deal was that these congress will not be course, that they will not be here. maybe they will not be great friends, but they won t be, no brain was extremely or start, especially in the last 8 years. and there are countries of the global. so when they look at it, when they, when they see how russian pro private property is b. c, the west. how are russia is mistreated? as a state co, russian athletes are subject to such is that even if it did not do it, the black athletes during a well, i mean the, i think the lesson is learned is that, you know, the west wants to have control of all, you know, all telecommunications, all financing, and banking and all that. and then that the, the, the countries that go along with it, like russia did, after the end of the cold war, you can suddenly become a really big victim of it. and i think that s a lot of country see that if you use your system against the russian, you can use it against us. ga. ok. yeah, that s right. and i think that just following up on the, it was precisely that was promised to the soviet union to go by jo in 1991. you don t have to worry about anything because when you know, once we kind of embrace them and particularly when we have a united germany within a so it will have, you won t have any problems because they will be on the late those control. and so you won t, they won t be out there. so if i, everything that has happened in recent years, kind of confirms stollins because both, hey, the moment they get independence, they got to join an alliance against us. going to be waging a war against us. i mean that s kind of what he was saying is want on conferences as confirmed is doctors for both. and if you re in the, in the long, long term here who was the one that made that great mistake, it was got a bunch of no other soviet leader would even contemplate doing something like that . and he believed him and, and that is the original sin of all of this is believing these people that they had benign the intentions. ok, me, i m not worried about the germans. i m worried about nato. when that was a gentleman, we had to a too big of a talk, a topic to discuss here. but we did get to the, the outer layers here. i want to think my guess in moscow and in budapest want to take our viewers for watching us here. are the see next time remember cross out. ah ah ah with ah, i really thought that we were going to die in fly before i saw i crawled all the way to rights other than i hid behind. on my fears before i was even born. and this happened again and again and again and again again, because people continue to stick with the system i do like any other day. and only one of them came home. basically, we want to make sure that certain weapons that are just too dangerous or regular civilian should be in the hands of those people who are unsafe. export ratings take no way to start with what happens with digital gains with actual physical sport, something like digital. the answer is yes, because on is preparing to host the 1st ever gains of the future. a cyber context with a physical dimension. one of the innovators, eager to study at all, is on the verge of redefining sports and gaming. he tells us what s behind this synergy, and if it s the future with i rick sanchez. and i m here to plead with you. whatever you do, you do not watch my, your show seriously. why watch something that s so different. my little opinions that you won t get anywhere else. work of it please. if you have the state department, the c, i, a weapons makers, multi $1000000000.00 corporations, choose your facts for you. go ahead. i change and whatever you do. don t watch my show stay mainstream because i m probably going to make you uncomfortable. my show is called direct impact, but again, you probably don t want to watch it because it might just change dwayne, think ah, the headlines on off international, and there is joe biden, making a surprise visit the key f and meeting with president zalinski. it s coming exactly 9 years after the deadliest day in the my dad protests which was unfortunately lost over by the american president ukrainians. they were planning to hold these positions for a long, long time. but well, this particular sector, it fell in less than a week or 2 reports from the don t bass frontline, as a russian of forces break ukrainian defenses in and around the key city all about of till.